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post #7951 of 27235
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Honestly, if he is just not a well conditioned as we think, I doubt any amount of will will help the king. I've always seen Lebron as a beast but really if the shortened season took some of his usual conditioning this season then that could be, could be all the partying and social events/gathering too.
My post had nothing to do with defending the other teams best player, I am merely questioning his conditioning.

Maybe it's all the dancing he does?
post #7952 of 27235
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Honestly, if he is just not a well conditioned as we think, I doubt any amount of will will help the king. I've always seen Lebron as a beast but really if the shortened season took some of his usual conditioning this season then that could be, could be all the partying and social events/gathering too.
My post had nothing to do with defending the other teams best player, I am merely questioning his conditioning.


Is it true that he parties a lot?
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Is it true that he parties a lot?

Sure looks like it from the pics I've seen from this year alone. They always have big bashes on each other birthdays, then holidays and events that they are hosting. It doesn't help that they are close friends with a bunch of celebrities like Kanye, JayZ, Drake, etc... Sure they may not drink to a point where they get trashed but it still takes a toll in the body staying out late, dancing, partying, etc... especially on a shortened season.
post #7954 of 27235
oh please. being exhausted is not a matter of will
post #7955 of 27235
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

oh please. being exhausted is not a matter of will

Ask Jordan that in the vid above.
post #7956 of 27235
again it's not a matter of will but conditioning.

and lebron might have looked exhausted but he put up 30 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, and 4 steals.
post #7957 of 27235
He does look gassed at the end of it. I saw him sit in the corner for a few possessions during the Boston series just to catch his breath.
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lol.
post #7959 of 27235
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Originally Posted by gettoasty View Post

i like James a lot, but at this point, is he even in the same conversations as the 'Jordans'?

No, he is not...

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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Bullshit man. Jordan always asked to defend the other teams best player and always took the load offensively and handled the ball as regularly as Lebron.
The only real difference is that he's bigger and has to huff that extra lumber around. But Magic was 6-9. Olajuwon would run a marathon after a double overtime game and then play another 48 and hand his defenders ass to him.
Its a question of will. Rondo played 53 and didnt even break a sweat, same for Durant.

...because of this. Oh, and because he has exactly zero championships on his resume, which is, what, six fewer than MJ?
post #7960 of 27235
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Bullshit man. Jordan always asked to defend the other teams best player and always took the load offensively and handled the ball as regularly as Lebron.
The only real difference is that he's bigger and has to huff that extra lumber around. But Magic was 6-9. Olajuwon would run a marathon after a double overtime game and then play another 48 and hand his defenders ass to him.
Its a question of will. Rondo played 53 and didnt even break a sweat, same for Durant.

^it took jordan 7-8 years to learn to play like that - until jordan mastered how to conserve himself to totally explode in the 4th Q.

for the first 7 years... jordan was being beaten by the celtics/pistons even when producing his guady numbers.

before that jordan would constantly do lebron-like things and still lose (even in the playoffs). remember jordans 63pts in a loss against the celtics in the 80's? the sad part about jordan's 63pt game is that a lot of people think he won that game - but he didn't and the sports writers and haters looooved showing how jordan couldn't win the big games/series.

lebron needs to be treated like a NFL player and be forcibly subbed out by the coaching staff to have him playing the the 4th with more energy.
post #7961 of 27235
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Its a question of will. Rondo played 53 and didnt even break a sweat, same for Durant.

Their minutes on the court aren't exactly equivalent.

For the most part they only play one side of the court.

Durant/Rondo don't play defense nearly as well as LBJ does.
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

^it took jordan 7-8 years to learn to play like that - until jordan mastered how to conserve himself to totally explode in the 4th Q.
for the first 7 years... jordan was being beaten by the celtics/pistons even when producing his guady numbers.

before that jordan would constantly do lebron-like things and still lose (even in the playoffs). remember jordans 63pts in a loss against the celtics in the 80's? the sad part about jordan's 63pt game is that a lot of people think he won that game - but he didn't and the sports writers and haters looooved showing how jordan couldn't win the big games/series.

lebron needs to be treated like a NFL player and be forcibly subbed out by the coaching staff to have him playing the the 4th with more energy.

Difference is coaching and a player that can play next to him. Pippen is a great wingman and an all-star/superstar on his own right but he really complimented MJ well. W/o those two, the Bulls really wouldn't be as good as they were but that really takes nothing away from MJ, he was simply born a beast.

It really had nothing to do with getting used to it, one of the other benefits he had is playing in college. There was a report or study a year ago about how college players body adapts better when they get to the NBA in comparison to those that came out straight of high school. Their body managed to stay healthier longer unless you really train hard like Kobe and KG. So Lebron, being in his 9th year might start taking toll on his body? Dude is a monster but MJ is just a different beast. I watched the Dream Team documentary on NBA TV last night and they were astonished at MJs conditioning. Dude played 36 rounds of golf, practiced/played ball and then gambled with Barkely and Magic until 5am everyday and still had the most energy on the court and still dominated.

I really encourage any basketball fans to watch it, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Seeing how much of a loud mouth Barkley was (still is), the competitiveness between each player, Magic & Bird playing together and even Stockton being able to walk down the street w/o anyone recognizing him was just awesome. lol8[1].gif It's a nice glimpse at the past and how much players has evolved to today. I really do not think todays "Dream Team" can hold a candle to the '92 team.
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Originally Posted by fir3fox View Post

Their minutes on the court aren't exactly equivalent.
For the most part they only play one side of the court.
Durant/Rondo don't play defense nearly as well as LBJ does.

Going to have to disagree. Rondo is all over the place on defense, you really can't be on top of the steals per game chart by just standing around and dude has had 2-3 triple double in this post season alone? He obviously rebounds and for his size, that takes a lot of moving, anticipation and a couple of bumps from bigger guys here and there. He also has to chase and run on defense and going through screens and he is known for his hustle plays. I say he does just as much on defense (if not more) on defense as Lebron.

As for Durant, well he did play as a PF in the Spurs series and had to work hard to get open so I still say him staying on the court for 48min and scoring 18pts in the 4th is a feat onto itself.
post #7964 of 27235
I'll concede Rondo, he does work on defense.

I just don't view him as the defensive "stopper" on the Celtics, it just seems like Pierce is called on to guard the other team's best player. I'm sure size has a lot to do with it.

On the other side LBJ is called on to guard almost all five positions on the court. He had to switch to Westbrook the other night because Wade was getting used like a dirty napkin.

Its hard to compare them because of LBJ's sheer size.
post #7965 of 27235
Rondo is by far the best defensive pgs in the league right now.
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