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post #7081 of 27236
so dr. larry, you seem to have a good bit of experience with orthopedics and injuries ... what do you make of the whole "portland staff mis-treated oden and rose" argument?
post #7082 of 27236
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so dr. larry, you seem to have a good bit of experience with orthopedics and injuries ... what do you make of the whole "portland staff mis-treated oden and rose" argument?

its all case by case. Oden plainly had a congenital defect that was going to seriously hamper him in the long run (his legs being different lengths). and brandon roy opted to have his meniscus taken out of both knees all but guaranteeing him osteo arthritis sooner rather than later.

brandon roy can still theoretically play... its all about his pain threshold though.

oden would've eventually had hip problems if his knees didn't give out first. his body just wasn't genetically made to handle a full NBA (or even NCAA season).

brandon roy at one time only had one knee affected, but was severly hampered - in my opinion he must've had an issue with pain management because chris paul and kobe bryant also have basically no meniscus in one knee, but still play at that superstar level. eventually he started to favor one knee and it let to the other knee deteriorating too.

chris paul's groin injury last night looks to be because of compensation for his balky knee. his major minutes this series is creeping up on him.
post #7083 of 27236
interesting, thanks! and thanks for not making fun of my addling rose and roy in the question. it's early out here.
post #7084 of 27236
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interesting, thanks! and thanks for not making fun of my addling rose and roy in the question. it's early out here.

I figure d. rose will come back 100% (even with the explosive hops).

you can see in his demeanor that rehabbing, and all the excruciating workouts involved with it, is something he almost looks to enjoy doing - because its a way to fully recover and come back strong.

remember jordan missed practically all of his 2nd season - to fully heal a broken foot (there was a problem with getting proper blood circulation to the effected bone(s). But he came back and played just fine.
post #7085 of 27236
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its all case by case. Oden plainly had a congenital defect that was going to seriously hamper him in the long run (his legs being different lengths). and brandon roy opted to have his meniscus taken out of both knees all but guaranteeing him osteo arthritis sooner rather than later.
brandon roy can still theoretically play... its all about his pain threshold though.
oden would've eventually had hip problems if his knees didn't give out first. his body just wasn't genetically made to handle a full NBA (or even NCAA season).
brandon roy at one time only had one knee affected, but was severly hampered - in my opinion he must've had an issue with pain management because chris paul and kobe bryant also have basically no meniscus in one knee, but still play at that superstar level. eventually he started to favor one knee and it let to the other knee deteriorating too.
chris paul's groin injury last night looks to be because of compensation for his balky knee. his major minutes this series is creeping up on him.

that article that i linked to talked about this. the kinesiologist mentioned that he doubted oden actually had different length legs and even if they were different they could made a custom shoe for him for a whole fool lift instead of a heel lift. he said he didnt think portland ever did anything about it.

and apparently you can put meniscus back in? he had the same problem and was able to put them back in. whatever that means.


and i take back a little of what i sadi about blake griffin. thinking about it you're right. blake griffin is good at getting to the basket for high percentage shots. at this point tho he needs chris paul or somebody good at feeding him balls at the right time. he's not able to do much on his own.

i feel like he could be a legendary player instead of a really great player if he improved a few aspects of his game
post #7086 of 27236
^ ok I read the linked article on Greg Oden.

It sounds like too many cooks in the kitchen with respects to how Oden was handled medically.

The sports Kinesiologist wasn't even 100% sure of greg oden's leg length discrepancy - meaning he didn't take the time to actually measure oden's extremities himself.

a past case of a prominent NBA player doing well with a leg length discrepancy is Adrian Dantley. Dantely actually had what the Kinesiologist suggested: a platform shoe (raised about 2" for the difference).

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i remember they did a focus piece on dantley's shoes during one of the pistons-lakers finals in the late 80's (they showed his shoes which were a weird brand like kangaroo or something not those NBs above).

dantley was a hall of famer and played just fine with a shorter leg. hell he was a fantastic post player at under 6'4" (actual height).

oden still looks to have been already on track to major injuries even when he was in Ohio. it just looks like his body couldn't keep up. even yao ming eventually broke down.

dantley actually really showed what it takes for a successful nba career: being pro-active about his training (he was a into weight training, footwork and agility, and straight out super work ethic to overcome his anatomical abnormalities:
post #7087 of 27236
F*CK i'm old. my high school team played against adrian dantley. and moses malone.
post #7088 of 27236
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F*CK i'm old. my high school team played against adrian dantley. and moses malone.

I feel old too - I was a sad little 7y/o celtics fan who just moved to LA from boston and having to cheer for the fucking pistons, because they were playing the Lakers.

lowlights of that move:

-arriving just in time to see the ball roll through buckner's legs ffffuuuu.gif
- living amongst Laker's Fans who were my cousins. I stupidly believed that everyone in my family cheered for the Celtics ffffuuuu.gif
- living in southern california during those late 80's Laker juggernaut teams while the celtics faded away ffffuuuu.gif
post #7089 of 27236
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I feel old too - I was a sad little 7y/o celtics fan who just moved to LA from boston and having to cheer for the fucking pistons, because they were playing the Lakers.
lowlights of that move:
-arriving just in time to see the ball roll through buckner's legs ffffuuuu.gif
- living amongst Laker's Fans who were my cousins. I stupidly believed that everyone in my family cheered for the Celtics ffffuuuu.gif
- living in southern california during those late 80's Laker juggernaut teams while the celtics faded away ffffuuuu.gif
ha! in my house we call those "the glory days."
this is for you dr. larry!
post #7090 of 27236

NBA players don't like Griffin for the same reason NFL players don't like Tebow. They are very unpolished players, young, and have done little to back their huge media following, but yet still get all the attention and hype over the veterans who have paid their dues.

post #7091 of 27236
Thread Starter 
You guys are too rough on Griffin. He did average 20 points, 11 rebounds & 3 assists this year while shooting 55% on the field. That is only on his second year. Cut him some slack. W/o him, the Clips still wouldn't be where they at right now.

Ya'll want to give credit to Mcgee when 95% of the thins he does on the court is just idiotic and might kill someone (trying to dunk over someone from the free throw line, really?) yet Blake gets no respect for what he does all season long.
post #7092 of 27236
i'm willing to give him credit. i'm just saying that his mind and his game are still very immature (and that the Clippers as a team are poorly coached and immature with the exception of Paul, Billups and Butler)

but he's 23 years old - of course he's immature. when i was that age i was trying to light my farts on fire
post #7093 of 27236
Thread Starter 
He actually has good potential and has a higher ceiling than Dwight. You can see it when he shoots a jumpshot, he has a decent form. He even hit a few game tying/winning 3's last season. He can develop into a Lemarcus Aldridge type of player if he can hit that 3 consistently. I think he's gone away from it because he is now surrounded by a bunch of shooter.

His free throw woes, someone just has to tell him to follow through with his shot instead of stop once his arm is on top and then flicking the ball with his wrist. There was a span this year where he was hitting 70%-75% for a few games but hold habits are hard to get rid off and he reverted back to his old style. I still believe he'll develop it unlike Shaq or Dwight who just lived with it.

Barring any injuries, I can just see Blake get better. I don't think the flopping will go away though, sadly, it's become an integral part of the game and he is using it to his advantage very well.
post #7094 of 27236
Griffin has all the potential in the world. Possibly the most athletic player in the NBA right now. But that's how I see him, an athlete first and a basketball player second.

I'm sure he'll be the best offensive PF in the game at some point in time. Improve FT, get some post moves, jumper looks pretty good already.
post #7095 of 27236
Thread Starter 
Lets go Lakers!!! Get this done!!!

Nuggest wants one more game?


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