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post #6856 of 27204
yeah def not finals. i wouldnt be surprised to see them in the ECF tho
post #6857 of 27204
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post #6858 of 27204
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Solid yes, but not finals solid.
Sad to say but it does not look like anyone in the East is going to be able to beat the heat. Boston maybe.

Exactly, who is going to score when Miami locks them down on D? They couldn't do it last year with Rose.
post #6859 of 27204
aaaahhh SHIT

just realized that the US Olympic team now doesn't have Rose or Howard. things are not looking good, boys

i don't trust Deron or Westbrook to run the national team. i guess CP3 is logging heavy minutes now
post #6860 of 27204
frown.gif shumpert tore his acl too

i hope it's not career ending. at least rose got to be mvp. shumpert was going to go places ffffuuuu.gif
post #6861 of 27204
Shortened season is serious

OKC vs DAL was such a good game!!
Edited by gettoasty - 4/28/12 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

frown.gif shumpert tore his acl too
i hope it's not career ending. at least rose got to be mvp. shumpert was going to go places ffffuuuu.gif

ACL injuries aren't really the death knell of yesteryear.

I did a study on ACL repair in Medschool and the main example of a successful comebacks are Ronaldo (the brazilian soccer player who had his ACL repaired in both Left and Right knees).

Bernard King was probably the best old school example of coming back from an ACL tear, but what they learned in the 80's and early 90's is how after the standardization of the actual repair (there are two main types of repair utilizing either the Patellar bone tendon or the hamstrings tendon), is how its pretty much 95% of how you rehab the knee - what determines the outcome.

The hamstrings tendon method is the faster surgery. Its really interesting (our hamstrings have multiple muscles that share three conjoined tendons. you can just harvest the middle tendon for the new ACL graft and there's no affect on the hamstrings muscle. everything is done with minimal incisions and the whole surgery takes about 30mins.

old school thinking was to just do the surgery and let the knee completely heal, but what they figured out is that you pretty much get the guy out there day(s) after surgery into physical therapy is to the patient's advantage.

so guys now will be doing pretty serious physical therapy within the first week. thats how they gain back their explosiveness. Its pretty much dependent on the pain threshold and discipline of the patient. Rose shouldn't be a problem with that.


for me personally whenever I saw rose it was amazing to see his hops and ability, but I always wondered why he had so many knee and ankle supports. i was often impressed on how fast and explosive he was with all the stuff he'd wear:

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it seems like he was really dealing with so many nagging injuries - ankle, knees, ect... to the point where he was practically in full knee ankle and foot supports and looked like an old school 1980's center. it was really amazing to see him still just leap and do alley oops with the full gear.

dealing with all those injuries just kind of caught up with him. lets look at it this way - now he can really go back to scratch and build up his muscles and heal properly. i bet you when he comes back next year he'll have less leg gear on because of the newly build up support muscles.


there are a lot of athletes who don't even have ACLs. DeJuan Blair is the most recent example (he was given shoddy knee surgery that resulted in just leaving the ACLs in both knees off), and John Elway (another botched surgery). They did the super old school route of just building up the support muscles to compensate for stabilization of the knee and wearing big braces during games.
post #6863 of 27204
^that was so interesting and informative. thank you.

i hope d-rose and shumpert both get great orthopedic surgeons.


frown.gif and i hope their explosiveness doesnt decline that much. d-rose goes without saying but shumpert plays such explosive defense it's icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif. i can't think a lot of times that guards blew pass shumpert. i dont understand how he can be as quick running sideways or backwards as a guard runs forward.
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it gets better every time i watch it
post #6865 of 27204
OKC/Dallas game WAS excellent. I caught myself rooting for Dallas, then for both. Great way to finish the game, and for Durant's shot to fall.
post #6866 of 27204
Wow..both Rose and Shumpert tore their ACLs back to back. Really really really disappointed, to say the least, with those freak injuries. Is there something in Chicago's water supply?? Its going to take close to a year to get back to 100%. Thats basically 2 seasons gone for them (this year and next).

Also, I never liked Lebron to begin with but watching him flop around like a fish out of water has made me lose any form of respect for him or his game. I really hope someone in the East knocks them off this year, although its not looking too likely.
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

aaaahhh SHIT
just realized that the US Olympic team now doesn't have Rose or Howard. things are not looking good, boys
i don't trust Deron or Westbrook to run the national team. i guess CP3 is logging heavy minutes now

Over-rated....
post #6868 of 27204
you guys are gonna hate Lebron no matter what I say, but there was an in-game context to what he was trying to do in that play.

the Knicks were getting too physical, even for playoff basketball, and the Heat had been trying to point that out to the refs all game. Wade got to a loose ball and got leveled by Baron Davis who thought he was John Lynch headhunting a receiver. the Knicks were taking little cheap shots every time they were setting or going around screens, and getting away with hand and body checks on ball handlers. when a heat player made a good play on defense, a Knick player would go out of his way to given him a little elbow or shove as he ran down the court. I'm not saying the Heat weren't reciprocating, but the Knicks were definitely instigating. Lebron had just been hauled down by Melo trying to receive a post pass. no foul, turnover Heat.

and Chandler was out of control. I get that his job was to physically intimidate the Heat, but he had just gotten two straight charge calls, and he was running around looking to hit somebody. and he did commit a bad foul....he launched himself forward into a blindside hit...Lebron is big and strong and can take it, but if that was me, I'd be in a neck brace for a month.

so Lebron sold it..and it worked! he knew how huge it was if Tyson would get thrown out and/or suspended for a game. and the refs were so fed up with Chandler/the Knicks' antics that they gave him the flagrant-2 immediately.

ultimately, the refs did the correct thing and downgraded the call, but the plan almost worked.
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Originally Posted by ter1413 View Post

Over-rated....

yeah, but his loss still gives the US a big problem in the Olympics, yes? Aldridge is out, too

especially after watching Ibaka cover ground, block everything in sight and gobble up rebounds - Spain might put this mofo in at SF (!!) beside the Gasols. that means we're in trouble since it looks like our frontcourt is going to be Chandler + Love + Melo/Lebron. (EDIT - Spain lost Rubio too, so neither squad is at full strength)

unless USABB leaves off a couple of swingmen and gives spots to KG and Bynum, but then, who gets the boot? maybe we can roll out:

4/5: Chandler, KG, Love, Bynum
3/2: Lebron, Melo, Kobe, Wade, Durant
1: Paul, Deron

who gets the 12th spot? Blake would be primarily an open court player in the FIBA format - useless. i don't like Westbrook and his Stephon Marbury approach to point-guarding. who else? Bosh? cue the Heat haters...
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

you guys are gonna hate Lebron no matter what I say, but there was an in-game context to what he was trying to do in that play.
the Knicks were getting too physical, even for playoff basketball, and the Heat had been trying to point that out to the refs all game. Wade got to a loose ball and got leveled by Baron Davis who thought he was John Lynch headhunting a receiver. the Knicks were taking little cheap shots every time they were setting or going around screens, and getting away with hand and body checks on ball handlers. when a heat player made a good play on defense, a Knick player would go out of his way to given him a little elbow or shove as he ran down the court. I'm not saying the Heat weren't reciprocating, but the Knicks were definitely instigating. Lebron had just been hauled down by Melo trying to receive a post pass. no foul, turnover Heat.
and Chandler was out of control. I get that his job was to physically intimidate the Heat, but he had just gotten two straight charge calls, and he was running around looking to hit somebody. and he did commit a bad foul....he launched himself forward into a blindside hit...Lebron is big and strong and can take it, but if that was me, I'd be in a neck brace for a month.
so Lebron sold it..and it worked! he knew how huge it was if Tyson would get thrown out and/or suspended for a game. and the refs were so fed up with Chandler/the Knicks' antics that they gave him the flagrant-2 immediately.
ultimately, the refs did the correct thing and downgraded the call, but the plan almost worked.


Are you serious? The Knicks were getting too physical? These are grown-ass men, not frail new-born babies!! It is the refs' job to keep the players in line and if they are missing calls, it is the player/coach's job to point it out to them for the future. Players just need to PLAY - that is what they are there for. There is absolutely no justification for any kind of flopping, especially in the playoffs - it completely ruins the game. If the game had went the other way and Melo flopped his way to 20 FTs at Lebron's expense, you woud have had a different opinion for sure.
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