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post #6511 of 27206
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post

This myth that love can't create has to stop already. You don't average 26 with a high per by being a catch and shooter

who even advocates this

totally ignorant
post #6512 of 27206
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Wanna bet?

If the knicks were 100% I'd gladly bet on them beating the bulls. Bulls are an easy team to get out of their comfort zone in a playoff series.
post #6513 of 27206
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

who even advocates this
totally ignorant

I meant he can't create his final shot. Dude is a beast but all i've seen him do in his clutch shots are set shots. Nothing like Durant or Kobe where they can create they're shots on the fly. I'm just saying it by what I see.
post #6514 of 27206
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

the thing with kobe is he will always make that last shot even if it isn't the correct play to make and is highly contested.
the optimal player imo isn't the one who can consistently make the clutch shots but the one who can consistently make the right play. like MJ is more than capable of making the clutch shot, but he also knows how to pass the ball when he doesn't have a great shot which more often than not seals the game.
if you look at a lot of the lakers clutch time performances when kobe is left alone 1 on 1 he can make the shot (stupid of opposing teams to do like the hornets two days ago).
however when he gets double teamed and he has the ball he will a lot of times still try to score and more often than not he misses, but when he passes to for example an open fisher or when he draws the double team and fisher gets the inbound pass the lakers steal the win (eg the .4 shot against the spurs)
his mental game is outstanding though like you point out. any other player after such a bad streak would play worse as the night wore on but then again any other coach would probably bench you if you did that
for sure. no way knicks are beating the bulls. it's highly unlikely even with stat and lin.

Despite all of that, you would let anyone else in the Laker team right now take the final shot?

For the most part, you really can't blame Kobe. When it comes to crunch time, especially before Gasol got there, everyone looks for Kobe and passes it to him and the other 4 just watches. They don't run around to get open or cut to the basket. Like you said, Kobe can pass it when it presents itself or when he sees someone open like Fisher or iirc Ariza a few years back but most of the time, they just watch him double teamed or not.

Again, would you rather Kobe take the shot or be like Lebron and pass it?
post #6515 of 27206
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post


the optimal player imo isn't the one who can consistently make the clutch shots but the one who can consistently make the right play.
yes, see aforementioned Paul, Chris. Steve Nash is also someone who can do this.

im too lazy to research this, but what is the "highly contested shot" shooting percentage of Kobe and the other players with a "big shot" reputation? and what is that compared to the wide open shot percentage of people like Matt Barnes or Steve Blake? this is not a rhetorical question - i'm really interested in the answer to this.

the great thing about CP3 and Nash is that they are both 50% shooters on close-to-midrange shots that they are usually able to free themselves up to take. but what makes them absolutely deadly is that they can make the defense react in such a way that if they pass, the shot they create for their teammate is not only wide open, but often rolling to the basket for an easy shot
post #6516 of 27206
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CP3 seems to be up and down lately. He is a good decision maker (still the best PG right now?) but damn he couldn't pull out a win with those close games in the past months. He just looked frustrated and less determined for some reason, I say he's been about 50/50 when it comes to being clutch for the Clips.

And today, I'd still pick Kobe over Nash to be clutch. Seems like he lost some of that scoring tenacity this year. Maybe due to the age and all the injuries?
post #6517 of 27206
^+1. too lazy to look up stats.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

I meant he can't create his final shot. Dude is a beast but all i've seen him do in his clutch shots are set shots. Nothing like Durant or Kobe where they can create they're shots on the fly. I'm just saying it by what I see.

nothing wrong with sets. you want to create the most optimal shot to win games. the only time you would want somebody creating their own shot is if the team plays very badly and the coach doesn't do his job properly in calling the right sets or training the team for the right sets. really a player creating his own shots should be limited to a vast minority of the time when there is no other option.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Despite all of that, you would let anyone else in the Laker team right now take the final shot?
For the most part, you really can't blame Kobe. When it comes to crunch time, especially before Gasol got there, everyone looks for Kobe and passes it to him and the other 4 just watches. They don't run around to get open or cut to the basket. Like you said, Kobe can pass it when it presents itself or when he sees someone open like Fisher or iirc Ariza a few years back but most of the time, they just watch him double teamed or not.
Again, would you rather Kobe take the shot or be like Lebron and pass it?

this is true. yeah i guess it's kind of everybody's fault. kobe for taking it and people (players and coaches) just giving it to him. it's a downward spiral.

and no. right now kobe is the only one. which is bad news for the lakers. any smart team would double up on him and look to rotate quickly.

and lebron is awesome, but damn dude is so soft a marshmellow could scratch him
post #6518 of 27206
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Definitely nothing wrong with set plays as long as he makes it but the scoring options widens when you pass it to a player who can create a shot on the fly if the play doesn't go as planned.
post #6519 of 27206
for sure
post #6520 of 27206
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Damn, I thought the Thunder was going to take the #1 spot because the Bulls lost again but they couldn't pull out a win against Memphis tonight.


And I still don't get how fucking good Popovich is at making the best out of his roster. Another 7 game winning streak right now. They are right there in the mix with OKC, Bulls and Heat for the top spot.
post #6521 of 27206
He DEFINITELY deserves to be coach of the year.
post #6522 of 27206
Granger just called out Novak...

PUT IN NOVAK RIGHT NOW!

cloud.gif These refs
Edited by willy cheesesteak - 4/3/12 at 6:40pm
post #6523 of 27206
Bynum fined by team for unnamed infractions. Big deal or nothing to worry about?
post #6524 of 27206
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Originally Posted by skitlets View Post

Bynum fined by team for unnamed infractions. Big deal or nothing to worry about?

It's cuz he missed a meeting with Kupchak. I guess he must have dismissed it completely to be fined for it.
post #6525 of 27206
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Originally Posted by skitlets View Post

Big deal or nothing to worry about?

I'm not too sure about this. It seems that once Bynum's realized that he won't breakdown and/or be traded it's time for him to act like a cunt.

It can really go either way, I think.
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