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post #6271 of 27204
Wow, this is some blind leading the blind bullshit right here:
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The Orlando Magic are coming to grips with the reality that they will have to trade Dwight Howard before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline, and Howard's preferred team -- the Nets -- are emerging as the most likely trade partner, league sources told CBSSports.com.

Magic GM Otis Smith was taking calls Tuesday and trying to gage what the best offer will be in a potential Howard deal. No final decision has been made, and potential trade partners have not been apprised of what the Magic ultimately will do, sources said.

Golden State and Houston remained the most serious so-called "rental" teams pursuing Howard and hoping to persuade him to commit to them, although numerous teams were circling with offers and making their due diligence calls about the premier center in the NBA. Given the risk of Howard leaving as a free agent after a trade, it would be even more risky for a new team to give up assets for Howard than it would be for Orlando to dare him to walk this summer.

Nonetheless, Warriors owner Joe Lacob shot down a potential trade that would've sent Andrew Bogut from Milwaukee to Golden State and Monta Ellis to Orlando, sources told CBSSports.com Tuesday. The scenario was part of the Magic's efforts to acquire a top-flight talent in the hopes that Howard would stay, but Lacob wanted to preserve his own slim chances of getting Howard rather than help Orlando keep him.

Later Tuesday, the Warriors and Bucks opened the trade deadline floodgates when they agreed in principle to a deal sending Bogut and Stephen Jackson from Milwaukee to Golden State for Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh and Kwame Brown, league sources confirmed to CBSSports.com.

All signs continue to point to Howard, 26, wanting to land in Brooklyn next season with Deron Williams. "I think he wants that big market," said a person apprised of Howard's plans. Teams inquiring about Howard in recent days have been told, yet again, that his No. 1 choice is the Nets, who will open a new arena in Brooklyn next season.

In terms of global marketing and exposure, Howard is said to have been convinced by his representation that "there's no place in the world he can do it like New York," according to a person briefed on his strategy. Part of the end game would be a contract renewal with Adidas -- a deal that, if Howard were in the New York market, is expected to exceed the approximately $200 million arrangement Derrick Rose recently signed with the shoe company.

Howard's desire to land in Brooklyn defies the logic of several rival general managers and at least one prominent agent who continue to believe that the Dallas Mavericks should not be ruled out as a landing spot for both Howard and Williams after July 1. The Mavs would have to slash their payroll to the bone, ridding themselves of Brendan Haywood, Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom and Vince Carter in order to come close to enough room to sign two max players. But as one prominent agent said of Mavs owner Mark Cuban: "He's a smart guy. He'll figure it out."

The Lakers were the third team that Howard's agent, Dan Fegan of Lagadere Unlimited, was given permission to speak with about a trade before the season. They remain on the periphery and shouldn't be ruled out from re-entering the fray over the next 48 hours, sources said.

Still, it appears that the only thing Howard wants more than Brooklyn is the chance to go there as a free agent without the team giving up assets to acquire him. The Nets likely would surrender a package centered around 7-footer Brook Lopez, promising rookie MarShon Brooks and some filler to account for taking on the contract of Magic swingman Hedo Turkoglu, who is guaranteed $18 million over the next two seasons. The Nets have two first-round picks to offer -- their own, and Houston's, which is top-14 protected in each of the next five drafts.

Meanwhile, the Nets are aggressively exploring potential payroll-shedding deals in the event the Magic hang onto Howard and New Jersey can get him as a free agent in July. A fairly minor deal for an expiring contract would free up enough room to pair Howard with Williams and re-sign Lopez, who is set to become a restricted free agent July 1.

The league's dumbest front offices with the league's dumbest player. New Jersey should also trade for Carmelo to complete the circle.
post #6272 of 27204
Man, this just gets better and better:
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For everything Dwight Howard has told the Orlando Magic management about bringing him a stronger supporting cast, about the possibility that he could still sign an extension, it has turned into a complete ruse – a misdirection play on his eventual signing with the Brooklyn-bound New Jersey Nets, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

With the combination of Howard’s disdain for confrontation, desire to be liked and a pragmatic belief that a trade is no longer in his best long-term interests, Howard has created an illusion with the Magic that there are factors that could cause him to sign an extension with the team.

“Dwight’s gone, and [Magic CEO] Alex Martins is the only person who doesn’t believe that,” a league source with knowledge of Howard’s intentions told Yahoo! Sports.

Howard is privately telling people the acquisition of an All-Star player and more complementary players could sway him to stay, league sources told Y! Sports’ Marc Spears, but that scenario is far-fetched given the limited appeal of Orlando’s trade assets. A proposed three-way trade between the Magic, Golden State Warriors and Milwaukee Bucks, which would send Andrew Bogut to Golden State and Monta Ellis to Orlando won’t happen unless Milwaukee also finds a team to take Stephen Jackson. And the Magic are hesitant about accepting Jackson’s contract, which has one remaining year worth $10 million, unless they’ve been assured Howard will re-sign.

Martins has been talking directly with Howard and is going along with ownership’s desire to keep the franchise center for the remainder of the season, sources said. From a business perspective, it made sense for Martins to hold onto Howard until the last possible moment. He still sells tickets, sponsorships and, yes, banks victories that will get the Magic into the playoffs even if Howard is traded by Thursday. Nevertheless, there’s no misunderstanding from Howard’s camp that they will eventually sign with the Nets at the July 1 start of free agency, sources said.

[ Also: Rajon Rondo considered playing in the NFL during the NBA lockout ]

Magic general manager Otis Smith and coach Stan Van Gundy have known Howard the longest. They know he will leave them and they want a deal done prior to Thursday’s 3 p.m. ET trade deadline. The gulf between Martins and his basketball operations staff has become vast, full of mistrust and animosity. “Otis and Stan want the circus to end,” one source close to them said. “They want a deal.”

Martins has improved the franchise’s relationship with Howard, multiple sources told Yahoo! Sports. But as one source talking to Martins and Howard said: “That’s great, but [Dwight’s] still going to leave.”

Said another official, who has been involved in deal talks with Orlando, New Jersey and the agents in the process: “Dwight is going to [expletive] them, and that will be especially true if he doesn’t even ask for the sign-and-trade on July 1, because he wants Brooklyn to keep assets.”

Why would Howard push for a trade now? So the Nets have to give up Brook Lopez and draft picks? For Howard, he can finish the season with the Magic, make the playoffs and leave on July 1 for a contract with the Nets, who can offer him a four-year, $81 million deal – about $28 million less than what the Magic can give him in a fifth year. Adidas wants him in a major market – New York or Los Angeles – and this scenario promises him the highest possible value on his upcoming renegotiation on his shoe deal.

Orlando has few assets that teams want but is still the team that can escalate payroll and absorb talent. After taking on millions of dollars more in future money on the salary cap in the Gilbert Arenas trade a season ago, Martins is threatening to do it again at the deadline. For all the talk of a potential Monta Ellis trade to the Magic, the Golden State Warriors have been adamant they won’t make any deal with Orlando that doesn’t bring Howard back as a rental for the rest of the season.

For the first time on Tuesday, Van Gundy seemed to publicly push back on upper management’s undermining of his GM and himself. “Sometimes, I feel like our coaching staff are the only people in Orlando who care about the results of games,” Van Gundy told reporters.

If Orlando goes to New Jersey before the trade deadline searching for a multi-team deal, the Nets are confident enough they’ll sign Howard on July 1 that they could reject any proposal that forces them to give up too many assets.

[ Also: Grizzlies’ Zach Randolph warns Western Conference that Memphis is a contender ]

The New Jersey Nets are setting into a motion a plan to sign Howard, re-sign Deron Williams and keep restricted free agent Brook Lopez on an approximate $10 million annual salary, sources said. The Nets are working on several ways to shed several more million dollars of future payroll that will give them the flexibility to re-sign Lopez. The Nets and Charlotte Bobcats have had extensive talks on a deal that would send Boris Diaw’s expiring contract to New Jersey for several players and a first-round pick, sources said. The Nets could clear about $6.5 million in cap room with the trade.
post #6273 of 27204
these dumb fucks rely on advisors whose previous jobs were playing dice in the street
post #6274 of 27204
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post

these dumb fucks rely on advisors whose previous jobs were playing dice in the street

Or bartenders.
post #6275 of 27204
Dwight Howard puts up some amazing stats. One of the few 20PPG and 15RPG players who isn't a defensive liability. Only missed 6 games his whole career!? Not many centers or power forwards can say that.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dwight_howard/

Edit- Still not worth Bynum and Gasol.
post #6276 of 27204
yeah his 7 putbacks and 6-15 ft shooting are incredible
post #6277 of 27204
Magic are dumbfucks. They should have traded him for Lopez and the four # 1's that were on offer a few months ago.
For all the pieces there are in an organization it still just takes one shitty owner to perma-fuck a team.
post #6278 of 27204
yeah and nets can't make the melo mistake with a meaningless in season trade where they lose lopez. williams-howard with the rest of the nets doesn't excite me. and it sure sounded like derrick rose doesn't want him around
post #6279 of 27204
I read Kwame Brown's name above. He's still in the league?

Man, I remember when Jordan was going around showing him off when he was associated with the Wizards. That didnt last.
post #6280 of 27204
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Originally Posted by Cordwinder View Post

Its Gerald Green's 4th year in the league. I wonder if he would have been a lottery pick if he had stayed in school for 4 years instead of playing the D-league.

I followed his recruitment out of high school and subsequent declaration for the NBA. He may have been a lottery pick after a couple years but would still be bumping around the d-league.
post #6281 of 27204
Man, fuck this trade. Ellis Udoh and Brown for Bogut and S-Jax? Total shit. Should have dumped Curry before Ellis, should never have gone chasing fucking Bogut. Udoh actually has a upside. It basically comes down to Ellis and Udoh for Bogut. Bad trade.
post #6282 of 27204
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Man, fuck this trade. Ellis Udoh and Brown for Bogut and S-Jax? Total shit. Should have dumped Curry before Ellis, should never have gone chasing fucking Bogut. Udoh actually has a upside. It basically comes down to Ellis and Udoh for Bogut. Bad trade.

I'm not ecstatic either. But I'd still take Curry over Monta.

Here's the master plan:
Shut Curry down for season
Develop young talent (Klay, Tyler)
Tank to retain draft pick

Next Season:
Curry's back
Bogut's back
Good pick in a deep draft

Win!!
post #6283 of 27204
Golden State was never going to win anything with Monte, Brown, and Udoh. They needed to shake things up.
post #6284 of 27204
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Originally Posted by skitlets View Post

I'm not ecstatic either. But I'd still take Curry over Monta.
Here's the master plan:
Shut Curry down for season
Develop young talent (Klay, Tyler)
Tank to retain draft pick
Next Season:
Curry's back
Bogut's back
Good pick in a deep draft
Win!!

That is the best case. More likely, they get good draft pick, Curry at best is as good as Ellis, Bogut is on the down hill side of his career. If they had kept Udoh it might be an OK trade, but Udoh has been playing really well altely and he does all the things you want a nig man to do. Plays hard, rebounds, blocks, plays very good D, and he has only just been given a chance to start. He has more upside than Bogut, who is done, son.

They should have Kept Ellis, made him play the pint and traded Curry for a unprotected pick. Maybe punt him and Wright to PDX for Crash.

Shitty trade pure and simple.

In other news, the Bucks will be a ton of fun. Their back court will be insanely fast and explosive and they just got a huge upgrade to their bench/starting center.
post #6285 of 27204
Apparently, the Warriors brass has a hard on for centers. They were even going after Howard. I love their only two stars now have bum ankles. They should invest in ankle guards.
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