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post #5311 of 27359
Thread Starter 
Wall and Rubio has higher ceiling? Again, it's hard to start a franchise with PGs so why would you take them over Love first outside of the best PGs in the game like Rose and CP3? You'd seriously pick Wall over him? Rubio, ok a bit understandable since he might be the next Nash but he still hasn't shot consistently well. Ceiling is high but I don't know how you can say it is higher than Loves? Yah love is just a beast right now and it seems like he can't do better but again, 25/14 that can shoot 3's and athletic enough and he is 23 fucking years old.

You say Love ceiling is low but pick Amare over him? Are you kidding me? If Amare never found Nash he'd be no where today. He can't lead a team to anywhere by himself.

Aldridge is good but Love > Aldridge. Just look at the stats, put Love in the Blazers and they'd have a better record. Not many big men can shoot the 3 at 40% rate and give you 25/15 on a nightly basis with mid 80% ft. Dude is active too and actually hustles.

And the only reason to pick Griffin is to sell out seats. I'm a fan but seeing him play on almost a nightly basis shows you all his flaws. He tries to flop way too much and for his jumping abilities and athleticism, barely blocks any shots and with barely a glimmer of a mid-range shot.

And like I said, Pau and Dirk is too old now. In their 4th and 5th year, they'd be on their way out while Love is going to be barely hitting his prime.

I seriously would not sign Bynum to a 5yr max based on his injury history alone. He isn't as unstoppable as Dwight is.
post #5312 of 27359
see below, re: better or not
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post

I pulled the number 15 out of the air. Let's see who I'd actually take before Love:
Better players:
Lebron
Rose
Durant
Paul(will be knee-less in 5 years, rarely takes over games)
Amare(no)
Melo(no, one dimensional and is not efficient at that dimension)
Gasol(no)
Howard(no, superstars don't have 8 point nights like he does)
Bynum(no, can't stay healthy)
D Williams(maybe, but he is disproving your point since the nets are in the toilet)
Aldridge(one great season does not elite make)
Higher Ceiling:
Wall
Rubio
Westbrook
Sells Tickets:
Griffin(i see love as a less dynamic griffin who is a better passer)
Assuming that we're signing these guys for 5 year cdontracts, I'd build a team around any of these guys before Love. I could also see you picking Love ahead of a handful of them. Notice I didn't include any of the aging players who are currently better than Love, like Dirk, Kobe and Wade? or headcases who might be better like Ellis or Cousins? He's an elite talent, but in the post-lockout league, that's not an automatic max contract.
post #5313 of 27359
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post

I'm not sure he's as good as Aldridge. He's definitely better than Griffin, but he has a lower ceiling, and Griffin sells tickets and merchandise.

great argument, nickel back sell tickets and merchandise too
post #5314 of 27359
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post

great argument, nickel back sell tickets and merchandise too

And if I owned a record label, I'd want to sign them. Basketball is a business, and unless a player is going to push you over the top, you're probably better off signing the one who'll make you more money.
post #5315 of 27359
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post

I pulled the number 15 out of the air. Let's see who I'd actually take before Love:
Better players:
Lebron
Rose
Durant
Paul
Amare
Melo
Gasol
Howard
Bynum
D Williams
Aldridge
Higher Ceiling:
Wall
Rubio
Westbrook
Sells Tickets:
Griffin
Assuming that we're signing these guys for 5 year cdontracts, I'd build a team around any of these guys before Love. I could also see you picking Love ahead of a handful of them. Notice I didn't include any of the aging players who are currently better than Love, like Dirk, Kobe and Wade? or headcases who might be better like Ellis or Cousins? He's an elite talent, but in the post-lockout league, that's not an automatic max contract.

you'd take amare over kevin love??????????? have you seen him play this season?

in all honesty i'd take only 5 players before love and that would be lebron, kevin durant, kobe bryant, chris paul, and derrick rose. i wouldnt build a team around kobe as i agree with rfx. he only has a few more years before he's done.


love is far more versatile than aldridge. i just want to +1 everything rfx said.


also you think kevin love's stats are inflated by his team, but not dwight howard?



i'm so blind in my hate for dwyane. drafted my team around him and he hasn't done much this season
post #5316 of 27359
I've seen a motivated Amare do a Shiva the Destroyer act in the playoffs. Love doesn't have the body of work but, yeah, Amare is playing like shit this season.
post #5317 of 27359
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post

or headcases who might be better like Ellis or Cousins?

Why do people keep talking about Ellis as though he has a major attitude problem or is a headcase? It's one of those labels that just seems to have stuck for no good reason. His major discretion was lying about a moped accident, which while you certainly don't like to see is hardly egregious. He had some small fueds with Don Nelson, but thwy never really blew up into anything and Don is notorious for getting into it with young players. And Don was pretty much mailing it in at that time, drinking brandy all day and thinking about Maui.

Ellis is a good teammate, you never hear about him doing stupid shit in the local papers, does not get into a lot of fights or get a lot of T's nor have any of his coaches had anything bad to say about him long term. Even he and Nelly worked it out and played together and Nelly is a fan.

Truthfully I think he is one of the most underrated players in the league. If he was willing to or was forced to make the switch back to the point he would be a force there. His passing is far better than he gets credit for and was getting close to 10 a game while Steph Curry was out. Even his D is not as bad as people think. This is his first year under a coach that actually has his players play D. Nelly was all about running and pushing. He gets a lot of steals and plays hard. The main problem is that he plays the 2 when he should be a point guard. Match him up against other guys his size and I think he'd be well above average.
post #5318 of 27359
Thread Starter 
Ellis is definitely under-rated. He is one of those players that is an All-Star but probably won't make it because he is on a crappy team. Dude is a scoring machine.
Plus dude can do this with consistency, he could sit in the bench and score.

post #5319 of 27359
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Ellis is definitely under-rated. He is one of those players that is an All-Star but probably won't make it because he is on a crappy team. Dude is a scoring machine.
Plus dude can do this with consistency, he could sit in the bench and score.

Nice clips. It's fun to see him jiving with the janitor and staff.
post #5320 of 27359
Thread Starter 
Great! We're going to have another "DECISION" in 2014?
http://www.foxsportsohio.com/01/24/12/Once-again-uncertainy-surrounds-LeBron/landing.html?blockID=652216&feedID=3725
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Cleveland return in LeBron's future?

Playing against the Cavaliers will always be special for Miami’s LeBron James, even if he ever tried to deny it. So far, he hasn’t done that — and that alone should really tell you something.

James just has too much history with his hometown franchise to treat Miami vs. Cleveland as just another game. That includes everything from his upbringing in nearby Akron to the Cavaliers selecting him with the No. 1 overall pick in 2003. You know the rest.

It was all sunshine and roses for both James and Cavs fans and now James is said to feel largely unwelcome in Cleveland — and disappointed because of it. Those close to him say its affected him greatly on occasion. Even boos in other cities bugged him last year, and still do.

Now, there is talk that James is less-than-thrilled with certain aspects of the Heat organization. Sources in Miami say that while James still thoroughly enjoys playing alongside fellow stars Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, he doesn’t particularly care for the heavy-handed and disciplined style of team president Pat Riley.

James can opt out of his contract at the end of the 2013-14 season, and speculation is he will strongly consider it if Riley remains in his current role. And the team James would be eyeballing most in free agency, say those close to the situation, would be the Cavs.


Of course, James has never indicated as much, and if he does feel that way, he is wise enough to not say a word. Anyone who saw the secretive manner in which he kept the Cavs guessing already knows that.

But if these sneaking suspicions are true, if James really does hope to make another free agent splash and return to Cleveland someday, he would have a lot of things to consider. First and foremost, of course, would be whether or not fans would be willing to welcome him back after so much time away.

For one, we’re only a few weeks into Kyrie Irving’s pro career, and it’s pretty clear the Cavs are likely to someday be his team, if they aren't already.

The Cavs also learned from some of the mistakes they made with James, and really admire their current batch of high-character guys. They plan to fill the roster with more within the next year or two, and in the words of one front-office official, “build things the right way.” That way, the official noted, you have “a culture in place like in San Antonio or Oklahoma City,” where the team doesn’t need a superstar considered worthy of hosting "Saturday Night Live" to be successful.

So even if James may not truly be done with the Cavs, it is clear Cavs fans are done with him — at least for now, anyway. And it would be hard to let go of the grudge they hold, because it is massive.

As for today, James will have to hang his hat on playing against the franchise he spurned, chasing the title with the Heat he promised would be a result of it, and accepting that he left his days as everyone’s favorite superstar behind him in Cleveland.

Then, it seems, the guessing about LeBron James will likely start all over again.
post #5321 of 27359
Oh god let's please not talk about where Lebron might end up in a couple years. I'd rather you guys talk about the Lakers some more.

I think Ellis has been the 2nd most efficient post player this season. Saw this stat. "This year Ellis is posting up 9.4 percent of the time and leading the league with a 1.31 PPP." 1.31 is actually #2.

Warriors have still been pretty awful (surprise, surprise). I need a second team to root for. One playoff appearance in 20 years? I have tix for tomorrow's OKC game, my first NBA game ever, and I'm not excited at all. Ellis can score but is often inefficient, Curry turns it over carelessly. D Wright has forgotten that he is an NBA starter. Lee is a turnstile on D. We don't have a starting center. How sad is it when a team misses Kwame Brown's presence... Beans gets pulled for early fouls, like he's being saved to play in the 4th quarter, and then never plays. Why pull him when he picks up a quick 2 if he isn't even going to come back out? Just let him play until he collects his 6.
post #5322 of 27359
I was in school at CWRU when LBJ was there.... altho' I personally loathe Cleveland, he took the city's hopes to the heavens then shit explosive diarrhea all over them... fuck LeBron, fuck his game, fuck his Mom (Delonte), fuck his zero championships and hoping it stays that way.
post #5323 of 27359
J/W but even if he wins 1, will it mean anything? lol

The only way LBJ can redeem himself is match those of Kobe/MJ, which I doubt will ever happen.
post #5324 of 27359
Trade LeBitch to the MAgic for D12
post #5325 of 27359
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Originally Posted by gettoasty View Post

J/W but even if he wins 1, will it mean anything? lol
The only way LBJ can redeem himself is match those of Kobe/MJ, which I doubt will ever happen.

+1...no doubt about it... will never.
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Trade LeBitch to the MAgic for D12

D12 to Miami? also ain't gonna happen.
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