Nah, Lakers are just stacking up with Kobe stoppers. First Artest, then Barnes. They tried for Bell last year and then Battier this year. If Bowen was still playing, they'd offer him a contract too. :lol
On hindsight, it was a smart choice to choose Artest. Keep in mind he was a good offensive and great defensive player, he averaged ~18-20ppg before moving to the Lakers. They thought he could give more offense while taking some defensive assignments off Kobe, plus Artest is pretty strong and could usually guard bigger players. Who knew he'd be very inconsistent with the Lakers? Plus Ariza wanted more $$$ that other teams are offering and the Lakers did not want to match.
By the way, is Artest real name now really Metta World Peace and his jersey will have "Peace" in the back?
Signing ArtePeace was idiotic from day one. Weren't he and Ariza pretty much the same contract, +/- $7M/year?
Ariza is a serious player.
ArtePeace is a major head-case.
"I'm out of a job right now, so I don't really care what's going on with the labor talks." Etc, etc. Moron.
Now, unless they can amnesty the guy, they're locked into his huge contract + tax.
Keeping Ariza was the better move, by far.
Not idiotic at all, did you read anything I wrote? Artest was a beast on both ends of the court. He maybe a head case but Phil has had success with them including Rodman, who is a bigger head case than Artest. The Lakers were offering Ariza around $5m, and I think Artest got $5m-$6m in the beginning but with the contract going up a bit. Again, look at Artests' stats, dude is a beast and was constantly burning the Lakers from behind the arc a year before they acquired him. Plus they won a chip with him anyways, plus Lakers implosion last year didn't have much to do with him anyways, he can't make Pau stop from being so soft and so damn emotional. Hell Artest wasn't even the Laker idiot last year, Bynum was.
But again, hindsight being 20/20... It's like saying Portland is an idiot for picking Oden over Durant, who the hell could have known dudes body was made out of glass?
there was a lot more going on with that arriza trade, too. his agent (who also represents andrew bynum) was being a total *sshole (or behaving in a way the lakers interpreted as such). so they decided that with a mid-level player, they could afford to send a message. seeya!
there was a lot more going on with that arriza trade, too. his agent (who also represents somebody else on the team ... i'm having a mind fart right now) was being a total *sshole (or behaving in a way the lakers interpreted as such). so they decided that with a mid-level player, they could afford to send a message. seeya!
I was trying to figure out if it was Arizas agent or Odoms but I think it was Arizas agent, who was also his friend or something (?) and he was acting like Ariza was the next Kobe by laughing at the Lakers offer and then in the end the Lakers pulled the offer and Ariza just ended with the same pay for a different team. Wasn't Arizas fault though iirc.
exactly. and he also tried to negotiate the whole thing in public, which kupchak does not do. he was a blabbermouth about how they didn't appreciate his client, etc. so he got him moved to a bad team for identical money. great friend to have in your corner.
RFX, it seems you often ask people, "Did you read what I wrote?". Yes, I did, and I know that Artest was very good in Houston.
I think his stay in LA, however, has been pretty up and down, and I do think his contract is excessive. Now, that may not be all him; it may be chemistry with moody Gasol and/or candy Lamar and/or intense Kobe, but I just don't see him as a great addition. Good, yes; great, no. I don't see any real leadership there, and his inconsistency/nonchalance really bugs me. You're 100% right about Phil and head-cases, but I do worry about Artest and Mike Brown.
I didn't realize the issues you both bring up regarding Ariza and his agent, and in that case Kupchak was right to ship Ariza out. In that trade, however, I would have preferred Battier over Artest. I can see Battier as a strong force in the locker room and on the court, with Kobe and Fish, and as a mentor to younger guys like Caracter and Ebanks, far better than I see Artest in that sense.
But you said signing Artest was idiotic from the start, in which I said in my previous post that he was a 18-20ppg player that is a well known great defender. Paying $6m-$7m isn't excessive at all considering they offered Ariza a similar amount. I asked if you read it because it seemed like you missed it when I mention the kind of player he was before he was signed. Your post simply suggest that it was a bad decision before all the issues while in a Lakers uniform happened.
In case no one wants to look it up, here's Artest career stats and you can see that he was no slouch on either end of the court before being in a Lakers uniform.
I know Artest's stats. I know he was a good player in Houston, etc. His stats aren't the issue for me; the issue is his attitude, character, head. He's been a head-case all along. I never thought he was a great addition to the mix of Kobe, Pau, Lamar. I still don't, especially with Phil gone. I do think his contract is excessive in terms of years, at his age, etc. I don't see the real value. He was a very good defender, but his decisions on offense and assist/turnover ratio negate some of that prowess.
I will admit I'm biased, because Artest really drives me nuts in the way that maybe Lamar also should, but somehow doesn't. I love Lamar, and I'm just not a Ron-Ron fan.