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post #3541 of 27247
Dirk is going to go soft vs. Miami, Lebron is just too hot
post #3542 of 27247
Hate that I have to root for Dallas, but for crissake...please Dirk, don't choke in the finals.
post #3543 of 27247
I don't think it will be a matter of Dirk choking, he'll get his efficient 30 a game. If Jason Terry gets smothered the Mavs are going to struggle.
post #3544 of 27247
Dirk is going to have a field day against whichever undersized center Miami trots out there. I would worry for the rest of the team though... If they aren't hitting 3's it's going to be bad.
post #3545 of 27247
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post
you're actually right. i didnt really watch okc until playoffs, but your statement is puzzling

if you're saying okc NEVER runs plays and this is true then yeah you got me. i would be wrong if i said OKC doesnt execute their plays correctly because they dont run plays


on the other hand if you're saying okc only sometimes run plays then i wouldnt be wrong in saying that the plays they do run are incorrectly run much of the time.


so which is it?





it is true scott brooks expects westbrook to create shots and that okc doesn't have good ball movement because they don't run a lot of sets (ie the players in many cases just stand around and expect westbrook to do something).

i feel like ppl blame westbrook a lot when you actually look at what the other okc players are doing they're not really doing much. one of the bigs might set a screen, but it's not really effective. when it does create some good space one screen is usually not enough to finish the job. they also have this weird multiple screen thing going on up top (like 2 chaotic screens right after another beyond the 3 pt line) and it doesnt really do anything.

i think if anything brooks is to blame.

anyways they're very young and athletic and hopefully with some playoff experience now they'll be better.

Let me preface by saying that we're both in agreement that is is primarily a Scott Brooks problem, and not primarily a player problem.

Perhaps I used a little too much hyperbole to describe their offense. They do indeed run plays. However, the plays are usually (a) incredibly simplistic, and (b) single action focused. So if they are running a pick for Westbrook at the top of the key, all too often, only Westbrook and the screener are invovled. Everyone else just stands; there is no off-ball movement to creat back-screens, etc. If the initial 'play' doesn't work, they never really have a secondary set to run off the failed attempt, and try to rely on superior individual talent to either drive the lane, or hit a contested jumper. So even then, it's not like the plays are incorrectly run, it's just that they are inefficacious due to overly simplistic sets and lack of off-ball movement. Both of which, I believe, are primarily coaching problems, and not primarily execution problems.

Here is a good blog that highlights a lot of their offensive problems:
http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/05/22/ok...ivitymovement/
post #3546 of 27247
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Originally Posted by fir3fox View Post
I don't think it will be a matter of Dirk choking, he'll get his efficient 30 a game.

If Jason Terry gets smothered the Mavs are going to struggle.

Yeah I would say guard play in general is the key to how well the Mavs perform. Chandler's post presence has been huge for the team but I think the biggest difference in this year's Mavericks is how much JJ Barea has emerged to take more and more of the pressure off Terry and Kidd.
post #3547 of 27247
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post
I think the biggest difference in this year's Mavericks is how much JJ Barea has emerged

+1

The guy is small but splits defenses like nobody else. Arguably as good as D-Rose in that department.
post #3548 of 27247
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Originally Posted by fairholme_wannabe View Post
Let me preface by saying that we're both in agreement that is is primarily a Scott Brooks problem, and not primarily a player problem.

Perhaps I used a little too much hyperbole to describe their offense. They do indeed run plays. However, the plays are usually (a) incredibly simplistic, and (b) single action focused. So if they are running a pick for Westbrook at the top of the key, all too often, only Westbrook and the screener are invovled. Everyone else just stands; there is no off-ball movement to creat back-screens, etc. If the initial 'play' doesn't work, they never really have a secondary set to run off the failed attempt, and try to rely on superior individual talent to either drive the lane, or hit a contested jumper. So even then, it's not like the plays are incorrectly run, it's just that they are inefficacious due to overly simplistic sets and lack of off-ball movement. Both of which, I believe, are primarily coaching problems, and not primarily execution problems.

Here is a good blog that highlights a lot of their offensive problems:
http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/05/22/ok...ivitymovement/

i've actually been reading nbaplaybook quite diligently

i will recant my views as I agree with all of what you said. you're right. it's not that the plays are run inefficiently, but the plays themselves are too simplistic.

OKC really deserves a better coach.
post #3549 of 27247
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Originally Posted by Mark from Plano View Post
Guys, this was a young team. No young team wins it all. They will be great. They've gotten experience that will make them better.
This.

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Originally Posted by reezy View Post
Dirk has ice in his veins...

certainly, but you should have heard the things fans were saying about him until this year. "soft", "choke", "couldn't hit the big shots." It's all about experience (and getting the support).
post #3550 of 27247
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post
i've actually been reading nbaplaybook quite diligently

i will recant my views as I agree with all of what you said. you're right. it's not that the plays are run inefficiently, but the plays themselves are too simplistic.

OKC really deserves a better coach.

post #3551 of 27247
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post
OKC really deserves a better coach.

Too bad Mike Brown's not available.
post #3552 of 27247
I love when people start posting in this thread 3rd round of the playoffs adding their expert commentary.
post #3553 of 27247
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Originally Posted by jet View Post
I love when people start posting in this thread 3rd round of the playoffs adding their expert commentary.

I love when people start posting ad hominems in this thread because they can't circle jerk to the lakers and they have nothing substantial to say about the specific topic at hand.

Anything previously posited that you specifically disagree with?
post #3554 of 27247
I love when people use latin terms for which they don't know the meaning.
post #3555 of 27247
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I love when people use latin terms for which they don't know the meaning.

Case in point
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