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post #26896 of 27202
Pop can start hacking shitty free throw shooters in the beginning and middle of quarters instead. It's like when analytics showed that it's theoretically better to have your best relievers in earlier innings (like the 7th) rather than wasting his talents waiting until the 9th.

This eventually started happening in baseball where closers frequently go in the 8th inning now, or richer/smarter teams have two top quality closers come in starting in the 7th inning.
post #26897 of 27202
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

Pop can start hacking shitty free throw shooters in the beginning and middle of quarters instead. It's like when analytics showed that it's theoretically better to have your best relievers in earlier innings (like the 7th) rather than wasting his talents waiting until the 9th.

This eventually started happening in baseball where closers frequently go in the 8th inning now, or richer/smarter teams have two top quality closers come in starting in the 7th inning.
Off topic but the second point is not so much an analytics thing, is it? I mean, if you have the luxury of having two stud relievers to cover innings 7-9 that's better than having a stud and a stiff under any mode of thinking. Back in the '70's when Steinbrenner was throwing money around the Yankees picked up Goose Gossage and moved Sparky Lyle to the setup role - it also gave them a lefty-righty combo.
post #26898 of 27202
Baseball or NBA timeouts, which is more boring?

If hacking in the middle of a quarter becomes prevalent, the easy fix is to make it a 48 minute rule.

The main reason I don't watch more games is the endless stoppages. Reduce timeouts, and give guys 5 fouls. 6 fouls x 12 players x 2 teams is 144 potential stoppages, not to mention timeouts and scheduled breaks. It's an insane number.

Another rule change I would make is to change the number of fouls for starters versus the bench. Give bench guys to 4 or even 3 fouls. Why does a 12 min a night guy need 6 fouls other than to intentionally hack layups? Make them just as weary of picking up fouls as starters. This will significantly reduce fouling and improve the flow of the game.

And again, geezis too many timeouts. Stop it. If your team is such a frail piece of shit you need so many timeouts then they deserve to lose by 40.
post #26899 of 27202

at a game in person, those stoppages are when the dance squad comes out to shake it for my amusement. 

 

not enough of them, imo. 

post #26900 of 27202
Those timeouts are actually mandated TV timeouts. They happen systematically twice in the middle of every quarter. After dead balls at the 3 and 6min marks. They will never get rid of those because $$$$$$$$$$

Teams rarely use their actual timeouts unless huge score swing, injury, play call ect.

So an nba game will be 3hrs no matter what with half time and 8 mandatory tv timeouts, halftime, ect. It's like football now.
post #26901 of 27202
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

Those timeouts are actually mandated TV timeouts. They happen systematically twice in the middle of every quarter. After dead balls at the 3 and 6min marks. They will never get rid of those because $$$$$$$$$$

Teams rarely use their actual timeouts unless huge score swing, injury, play call ect.

So an nba game will be 3hrs no matter what with half time and 8 mandatory tv timeouts, halftime, ect. It's like football now.

I simply don't have time to watch a game live/on TV. I have an hour, so a DVR is my only option. I guess the only annoyance for me is I have to hit the forward button more often.
post #26902 of 27202
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Except that would slow things down even more and probably create all sorts of confusion.

By the way, could Adam Silver possibly look more like a member of the undead?


The whole foul shooting process itself might slow down a bit but I would imagine it would eliminate hack a shack thus speeding the game up. This way teams can still use fouling as a timeout type strategy but be forced to play defense instead of relying bad free throw shooting from the other team's player

It's fairly simple. You get hacked. Your coach gets to decide whether you'll shoot free throws or if the team will inbound the ball. Inbounding the ball would be faster than shooting free throws.


I just don't want to spend 20 30 minutes to watch free throw shooting at the very end
post #26903 of 27202

It is interesting to me that despite all the mandatory stoppage time and playing in the nicely air-conditioned arenas, basketball players still frequently manage to run out of gas in the 4th quarter. In the soccer players have to play 45 minutes stretches with little stoppage time in between and generally have to run more due to the size of the pitch and manage it alright. 

I cannot watch any more NBA live either, it is more fun and productive to read the game summaries and watch highlights.

post #26904 of 27202
Don't soccer players run only when the ball is near them? Like if you're attacking, your teammates on defense don't run as much

In basketball everybody is constantly sprinting not just up and down the court but around and through screens, constantly jumping. Plus everybody is so much bigger than most soccer players. Centers especially tend to be the largest guys and have to travel the most distance since they have to linger near the rim.
post #26905 of 27202
The difference between soccer and basketball is the sprinting. In soccer they cover much more distance but they do it at a different pace. Soccer player are generally more fit IMO, and basketball player's raw size plays a role in their endurance. Still, when you see some guys gassed at the end of the 1st, it does make you wonder.

Back to fouling. It's the main reason the games have gotten so slow. A foul was originally intended as a punishment for a mistake. In it's most honorable flavor, you shouldn't be committing intentional fouls as they're inherently not a mistake. If a guy beats you to the rim, hacking him so the easy points are not given becomes questionable given the spirit of what fouls should be.

You can't really police intent but you can make a foul more valuable by allowing fewer. Net effect is that you'll get to see a guy finish a well crafted move instead of some Robin Lopez arm racking and then 2 minutes of play grinding to a halt.
post #26906 of 27202

this kid can ball. 5'10. he's really good at using jail, has a knack for steals, and rarely turns the ball over

suns get such good backcourt players. they should engineer some trades with the sixers
post #26907 of 27202
Ben Simmons 5-15 in summer league t-night.

He's going to spend the first 2-3 years of his career with a crappy fg % while the teams wait for him to develop. Meanwhile, everyone will give him space, block passing lanes and box him out by proxy. He'll struggle to get points, passes or boards. Up to him to sort out the shooting, otherwise it's a waste of a pick.

Giannis was very similar, though - but so was Michael Carter though 3in shorter - I see much more gumption in Giannis than I do in Simmons. I'll DVR the first game they match up. Simmons has an uphill climb, his negative traits in college are quite real.
post #26908 of 27202
He wasn't drafted for his shooting so I'm not sure it matters.
post #26909 of 27202
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

He wasn't drafted for his shooting so I'm not sure it matters.

Right, he was drafted for 'upside'. The guy does a lot well, but he's going to get badly exposed if he can't shoot. He was drafted because the Phila model is to go hunting for a superstar, and quite a large part of superstardom is scoring, deny it if you want.
post #26910 of 27202
They're also adding ads to jerseys starting in the 2017-2018 season. GSW is asking for $20 million per year for a spot on their uniforms. I personally don't have a problem with it, but I can see how some hardcore purists might. I don't mind as long as it's either high-profile companies that people can easily recognize or smaller local companies that are based in the region the team plays in. I just don't want to see a logo of some dipshit Bangladeshi toilet paper manufacturer on a Knicks Jersey.
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