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post #26716 of 27250
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

GSW's bench will be gutted, though. Does anyone know the specifics? I would imagine they have to fill out the roster with a bunch of minimum salary guys...

It was going to get gutted anyways

The decision wasn't between durant anda bench it was durant and Barnes. If dubs weren't gettin durant they'd have to max Barnes


From what I understand there's still a way for dubs to keep Ezeli since they have his birds rights. They just have to either trade or stretch Bogut's contradt
post #26717 of 27250
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

It was going to get gutted anyways

The decision wasn't between durant anda bench it was durant and Barnes. If dubs weren't gettin durant they'd have to max Barnes


From what I understand there's still a way for dubs to keep Ezeli since they have his birds rights. They just have to either trade or stretch Bogut's contradt

Why do people keep saying this? I'm not sure who they even lose. They replace Barnes with a huge upgrade. They lose Bogut, who played like 15 min a a game and they likely lose Ezelie. So they lose both centers. Injury prone ineffective centers who were so bad in the playoffs that Kerr was forced to play Green at center.

They also drafted a center who, by all accounts, should be an upgrade over Festis. But they keep Livingston and Iggy, who were their main bench players. they are talking to Mo, and they get Looney back from injury and have their first round pick from this year. If they hit with either of their picks they could be just as deep as last year. IF two out of three picks (counting Looney here) are good they might even be better, And they still have a few ring chasers to sign.

Who knows, maybe they can trade for Diaw.
Edited by NorCal - 7/4/16 at 5:19pm
post #26718 of 27250
As I was saying. Dubs sign Pachia: http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/report-warriors-center-zaza-pachulia-agree-one-year-deal

Hardly a stud but he's a big, warm body who can rebound and plays super smart. A rotation with him, Sideshow Bob, Green, (maybe Moe), and the Rookie should be enough.
post #26719 of 27250
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post


Don't know about that, the Spurs still exist in the NBA.

Wasn't really until Jerry West came to the office til they started making good decisions.


well it's true. spurs are a great organization. 

 

but it's also true that jerry west didn't hire himself. i would remind that prior to west coming on board they traded Monta for Bogut, an unpopular decision but one that paid off big down the line. they also hired (and fired!) Mark Jackson, which i think were both the right choices at the time they were made.

post #26720 of 27250
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yah but that doesn't make them the best when they've only really won 1 chip lately and it was washed by choking in the next

I get the bandwagoners and homers but the best?

come on now, lets at least see if these guys actually win a chip with Durant and maybe repeat or even threepeat then sustain it for a decade then maybe we'll talk
post #26721 of 27250
I think if they can sustain their defensive level they will be unbeatable. Like when Iggy and Bogut were on the team. If they lose that in the process of signing KD, they're vulnerable and I won't be at all surprised if someone snakes them in the playoffs
post #26722 of 27250
Does GSW not go over the salary cap? Wasn't Cleveland like double the cap this past year?
post #26723 of 27250
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Originally Posted by SirGrotius View Post

Does GSW not go over the salary cap? Wasn't Cleveland like double the cap this past year?

 

They have to be under the cap to sign KD. They can breach the cap to sign any players they own Larry Bird Rights for as well as a bunch of exceptions (mid-level, bi-annual, rookie, etc).

 

There's no hard cap, so you can go over the salary cap by any amount. You just pay an incrementally higher luxury tax the further up you go. The 2013 Nets had the highest payroll in the league that year (actually might be the highest payroll ever) -- I think the cap was around $68 million and their total salary that year was around $90+ million, but they paid more than that in luxury tax. The total amount came out to around $190 million that year, I believe.

post #26724 of 27250
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Here's what Warriors must do to make Kevin Durant's contract work under salary cap

We now know that Durant will make $26,540,100 this season with a player option worth $27,734,405 for 2017-18, according to multiple reports. That’s his maximum salary for the next two seasons with any team other than the Thunder, and it is likely that he will opt out to renegotiate that amount after the season.


The Warriors already have most of their core under contract, though — including Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green, of course — and salary cap space is tight. Here, we will attempt to break down what they need to do next.

The choices already made

In effect, the Warriors could only retain one of Andre Iguodala, Harrison Barnes and Andrew Bogut. While Barnes looked like the favorite to stick around in November, Iguodala’s presence in Durant’s pitch meeting made it clear he would be the continuing member of that group.

Golden State moved quickly and agreed to a trade with the Mavericks, sending Bogut into their cap space in exchange for a future second round pick. The trade can become official when the league moratorium lifts on July 7 — as is the case with all of these moves, including Durant’s contract.

Over the weekend, the same Mavericks reportedly were prepared to offer Harrison Barnes an offer sheet at his maximum salary worth approximately $94 million over four years. When Durant committed to Golden State, the Warriors withdrew Barnes’ qualifying offer and opened the door for Dallas to sign him as an unrestricted free agent instead of going through the offer sheet process.

At the lower end of the salary scale, the Warriors had to decide between veteran guard Shaun Livingston, under contract for $5.8 million for 2016-17, and talented restricted free agent center Festus Ezeli. Immediately following the news, Golden State also withdrew its qualifying offer on Ezeli, making him an unrestricted free agent. He is expected have plenty of options in free agency.

This series of moves means the Warriors have already laid the main groundwork for bringing Durant in via cap space.

Remaining steps

In order to squeeze in Durant, the Warriors also have to renounce veterans Leandro Barbosa and Marreese Speights because their higher cap holds take up too much space. Both could return either for their minimum salary or the room mid-level exception.

The more interesting machinations come in the rest of the roster spots. Golden State decided to make both James Michael McAdoo and Ian Clark unrestricted free agents, but they have Early Bird rights on McAdoo, meaning they can go over the salary cap (and his minimum hold) for a contract could be worth as much as the estimated average player salary ($6.191 million for this season) that must run at least two seasons. The Warriors cannot do that for Clark because he only has one year with the team but can with veteran swingman Brandon Rush, who started part of last season while Barnes was hurt.


Signing both to the maximum allowable for the first season with a team-friendly non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed second season would give the Warriors two additional quality bench players on serious raises who are also potential contracts to trade by the February deadline or next summer if the right situation presents itself.

In order to have exactly enough space, the Warriors can only keep two of these holds, meaning McAdoo and Rush are the clear choices. They also have 2015 selection Kevon Looney on the books, 2016 first round draft pick Damian Jones at his rookie-scale price and 2016 second-round selection Patrick McCaw on a two-year minimum contract.

Here is a visualization of what the books look like in that case:

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

I think if they can sustain their defensive level they will be unbeatable. Like when Iggy and Bogut were on the team. If they lose that in the process of signing KD, they're vulnerable and I won't be at all surprised if someone snakes them in the playoffs

I've said in the beginning of last season and I'l say it at the beginning of the next, it is all for Dubs to lose.

Barring nay nut kicking suspensions, Dubs will likely win that chip with a bunch of old supporting cast.
post #26725 of 27250
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

come on now, lets at least see if these guys actually win a chip with Durant and maybe repeat or even threepeat then sustain it for a decade then maybe we'll talk

in 10 years i'll fly (pilot?) my hovercar over and we'll have a beer.

 

frankly i think - by that time - that small ball and perimeter scoring will have given way to length and athleticism and perhaps even the return of the true center.

post #26726 of 27250
These super teams have always underwhelmed. Miami won two chips. Boston one. LA none (but they won some without Malone and Payton). The player hater bandwagon sez GSW ends up in the same boat
post #26727 of 27250

super team? GS isn't a confederacy of free agents, is a homegrown team plus KD plus Iggy.

post #26728 of 27250
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post #26729 of 27250
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post
 

super team? GS isn't a confederacy of free agents, is a homegrown team plus KD plus Iggy.

 

That's like saying Miami was a homegrown team plus LeBron plus Bosh. Or Celtics were a homegrown team plus KG plus Ray Allen.

 

The Warriors now have 4 All NBA team players. That's a super team no matter how you look at it.

post #26730 of 27250
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Originally Posted by Akeem View Post

this move makes both gsw and kd look bad. no fortitude. kd should've tried one more time at least to get it done with okc. oladipo was a good fit for the roster they had. and the warriors lacking confidence in their own players to go hard after kd. weak sauce

I'd have suggested the same for him... 1 more season for sure. Yes, Olapido would have been a great compliment. Now they have a huge hole and Westbrook, the kind of guy that other big stars might shy away from playing with.

Oh well, they still have Kanter.

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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Enjoy the Mozgov era.

LOL. Jet's butthurt is one a small pleasures of this thread.
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