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post #26611 of 27209
So Hawks basically got Dwight for Horford. I don't even

Why did pacers get Jefferson? I thought they wanted to speed up not slow down
post #26612 of 27209
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Jeffersons coming off the bench so he's just there for back-up.

Horfords a very good signing but I am still unsure if they come off the top of the East even with Durant.

Cavs still has Love to trade and still get better.
post #26613 of 27209
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Rockets got Eric Gordon? Good back-up with Harden I guess? Or is Harden going to run as a PG more?

Sucks that EG can't stay healthy, dude was doing real well there for a hot second with the Clips.

They got Ryan Anderson so the "3 or die" motto continues?
post #26614 of 27209
the amount of money these players are getting is a bit out of hand. 64 million for mozgov and mahimi? conley has the richest contract in the nba? i think we should be getting some of this money back as fans.
post #26615 of 27209
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Originally Posted by SirGrotius View Post

What is it with Harrison Barnes? Dallas is offering him max money. I've only witnessed a small sample size of his games, which is mostly a few hype games super early on, and then these disappointing finals vs. the Cavs. When I took at his stats, they seem average for a 24-year old starting NBA player, and his PER (12) does not stand out. Is there something I'm missing, potential still on the radar, a defensive specialist?

Barnes is better then the finals (or Ldnfl) would suggest. He is a 24 year old fourth option on a title team. He plays both ways, has good size and quickness, and is a really good athlete. He also is not a head case and has played an important role for a really good team. An announcer called him a "Rainbow Player beautiful when you see him but only comes out sometimes." I guess the Mavs assume if they make it rain, the rainbow is sure to follow?

That said, he is not really a max guy under "normal" circumstances, but when Tim Mazog is getting paid . . .
post #26616 of 27209
In other news, I'm pretty bummed on how all in the Dubs seem on Durant. I honestly feel like Al Horford would have been a better get.

I suppose I should not worry too much though as all the teams that have won the last few titles have been pretty quite. Spurs, Heat, Cavs and Dubs.

I really would have like to see the Dubs do the full court press, fly out the stars treatment for Hartford and Batum though, fuck Durant, and let Barnes and Bogut go.
post #26617 of 27209
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Originally Posted by Akeem View Post

the amount of money these players are getting is a bit out of hand. 64 million for mozgov and mahimi? conley has the richest contract in the nba? i think we should be getting some of this money back as fans.

I reminds me of watching footage of people looting during Katrina. Everyone gets all the free shit they want.

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Barnes is better then the finals (or Ldnfl) would suggest. He is a 24 year old fourth option on a title team. He plays both ways, has good size and quickness, and is a really good athlete. He also is not a head case and has played an important role for a really good team. An announcer called him a "Rainbow Player beautiful when you see him but only comes out sometimes." I guess the Mavs assume if they make it rain, the rainbow is sure to follow?

That said, he is not really a max guy under "normal" circumstances, but when Tim Mazog is getting paid . . .

He's not a max guy under any circumstances, not even worth 5m a year. The Mavs are idiots, but I guess they lost Chandler so they need to find a replacement. How stupid can you be to reward a guy that "comes out sometimes".
post #26618 of 27209

I'm not sure why being a 4th option on a title team is a case for a max deal. He is going to be one of the highest paid players on his team (even with the cap spike unless the team gives out multiple max deals for the next 2-3 summers which would be ridiculous, but possible I suppose).

 

For the last 6 titles team, here was the #4 scorer:

 

Cavs: J.R. Smith

Spurs: Ginobili (36 years old)

Heat: Ray Allen (37 years old)

Heat: Mario Chalmers

Mavs: Shawn Marion

Lakers: Lamar Odom

 

The #4 option is a role player. None of them were All-Stars on the title team (or even during their entire tenure on that title team if you exclude Ginobili). It would be pretty far-fetched to imagine a title team consisting of any of those players to be the #2 or #3 option unless you had 2 bonafide stars leading the team (which would beg the question why the hell would you need to pay 20M for Barnes?).

 

But perhaps I'm not looking into this cap spike enough. I thought Bazemore and Barnes were fairly similar players and Bazemore's getting 17.5M/year so maybe 20M/year for Barnes is ok. This is of course assuming that Bazemore's contract is ok.

post #26619 of 27209
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I reminds me of watching footage of people looting during Katrina. Everyone gets all the free shit they want.
He's not a max guy under any circumstances, not even worth 5m a year. The Mavs are idiots, but I guess they lost Chandler so they need to find a replacement. How stupid can you be to reward a guy that "comes out sometimes".


i think many scouts don't consider Barnes to be a role player, which is what he's been asked to be on the dubs. 

 

he's probably one of the few contracts that are pending that actually has a shot of being a cornerstone. he's extremely athletic but can also shoot, can defend, is not just smart but intelligently spoken, works hard. the DNA is there, now we'll see how he does in a more central role.

 

EDIT: sorry, because idfnl doesn't know how to post i'm forced to respond to ninja-edited garbage. my post is referring to Barnes getting paid as a prospect, which is what he is.

post #26620 of 27209
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i think many scouts don't consider Barnes to be a role player, which is what he's been asked to be on the dubs. 

he's probably one of the few contracts that are pending that actually has a shot of being a cornerstone. he's extremely athletic but can also shoot, can defend, is not just smart but intelligently spoken, works hard. the DNA is there, now we'll see how he does in a more central role.

EDIT: sorry, because idfnl doesn't know how to post i'm forced to respond to ninja-edited garbage. my post is referring to Barnes getting paid as a prospect, which is what he is.

When you hit reply you get what was there in that moment. All I did was make a few grammatical changes and add half a sentence.

True talent worth of high salaries shows it. At some point Butler and Leonard were 4th options. Loudmouth Draymond was a bench player behind Lee and emerged. The argument he's contained is bullshit. NBA history is littered with guys that lost the battle of talent vs ego. He's had 4 years to show something (including big minutes in 2 finals) but he just doesn't have it.
post #26621 of 27209
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

I reminds me of watching footage of people looting during Katrina. Everyone gets all the free shit they want.
He's not a max guy under any circumstances, not even worth 5m a year. The Mavs are idiots, but I guess they lost Chandler so they need to find a replacement. How stupid can you be to reward a guy that "comes out sometimes".

LOL, 5 million a year. Maybe 20 years ago.


He's a good player. The whole 4th option is just to point out that his numbers will look a lot better on the Mavs.
post #26622 of 27209

Judging by the contracts that Cavs bench guys are getting Barnes is absolutely the max guy. He can even be the franchise player if stars are aligned right. It is also quite evident that for Cuban important motivation is to try to screw some other team first and only then think how the pieces will fit together for Mavericks. 

post #26623 of 27209
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Originally Posted by kissmyjazz View Post

Judging by the contracts that Cavs bench guys are getting Barnes is absolutely the max guy. He can even be the franchise player if stars are aligned right. It is also quite evident that for Cuban important motivation is to try to screw some other team first and only then think how the pieces will fit together for Mavericks. 

Judging by the behavior in an insane asylum, painting the walls with your shit is also absolutely a great idea. Just because others are behaving like knuckleheads doesn't mean you should join the parade, and judging a guys worth based on what another team's players earn is not only poor reasoning, but poor management.

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Separate, related question. Do teams have to make these deals public?
post #26624 of 27209
i have to join the shit-on-Barnes group. giving him a big contract means you're trying to catch lightning in a bottle and paying for someone's physical gifts, hoping that somehow a lightbulb goes off. and reversing an established trend of mediocrity. the time to do that is in the draft - i can't think of any instance in history where an established player got paid and suddenly became a star.

the reason why Barnes can be so tantalizing is that he shows flashes of doing something good in every facet of the game. but he's a jack of all trades, master of none. he only shows flashes, but never has a go-to move or a skill you can point out where he's consistently outstanding. and now he's saddled with a rep of disappearing when needed most. good luck with that.

the Mavs are just getting desperate because FA's have spurned them for more than a half decade. it's like constantly getting outbid at a fantasy auction draft, losing your temper, and ending up paying $50 for Jeff Teague. i actually thought that Philly would be the one offering him a max - they have to spend the money somewhere to hit the salary floor, plus they have to do something to tell fans/Adam Silver that they care about becoming an NBA team again - are they out of the running?
post #26625 of 27209

I'm not sure why the Warriors are interested in Jamal Crawford.

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