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post #26446 of 27228
Ok so I decided to check out the Ringer. Read 8 articles so I think the jury's still out. But here's my initial thoughts -

First impression: it's awful. The inane inside-joke/stream of consciousness articles that were at least occasionally funny on Grantland...aren't. The sports articles say nothing new, interesting or even well-reasoned. They focus more on the human relationship and drama aspects of sports figures, which I hate (who gives a fuck about these people when they're not playing). And the writing is atrocious. The only entertaining articles of the 8 were a GoT Q&A by Jason Concepcion, and a piece on KD by Bill Simmons, who wasn't at his best but I think will have to carry this website almost by himself. The other 6 were so stupid that I got IRL annoyed
post #26447 of 27228
I think Simmons has gravitated more to sensationalization and less towards true journalism (which was what Grantland was based on). Much more TMZ now
Edited by venividivicibj - 6/21/16 at 4:59pm
post #26448 of 27228
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Ok so I decided to check out the Ringer. Read 8 articles so I think the jury's still out. But here's my initial thoughts -

First impression: it's awful. The inane inside-joke/stream of consciousness articles that were at least occasionally funny on Grantland...aren't. The sports articles say nothing new, interesting or even well-reasoned. They focus more on the human relationship and drama aspects of sports figures, which I hate (who gives a fuck about these people when they're not playing). And the writing is atrocious. The only entertaining articles of the 8 were a GoT Q&A by Jason Concepcion, and a piece on KD by Bill Simmons, who wasn't at his best but I think will have to carry this website almost by himself. The other 6 were so stupid that I got IRL annoyed

I see what they're trying to do, but it ends up being too cool for school. It's missing a couple of Zach Lowe's in different disciplines. There's hope but the notion that we're all in on it should be eliminated now. Perhaps a bit less weed and a little more whip crack would help. From (non-writing) personal experience, this is what you get when you hire millennials, and these writers are DEFINITELY millennials. Long form, which is what made Grantland good, has been abandoned in place of like ya man you know just write what you feel cuz your dad will tell you its great man.
post #26449 of 27228
To be fair - they can't do as much analysis when there aren't any sports other than baseball going on. I do think the loss of Bill Barnwell will be big
post #26450 of 27228
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Ok so I decided to check out the Ringer. Read 8 articles so I think the jury's still out. But here's my initial thoughts -

First impression: it's awful. The inane inside-joke/stream of consciousness articles that were at least occasionally funny on Grantland...aren't. The sports articles say nothing new, interesting or even well-reasoned. They focus more on the human relationship and drama aspects of sports figures, which I hate (who gives a fuck about these people when they're not playing). And the writing is atrocious. The only entertaining articles of the 8 were a GoT Q&A by Jason Concepcion, and a piece on KD by Bill Simmons, who wasn't at his best but I think will have to carry this website almost by himself. The other 6 were so stupid that I got IRL annoyed


I have a similar Impression.

 

The strength of Grantland, at least to me, were his Long-Form indepht articles. Quality writing that almost became a forgotten science in the Age of short-Attention-span-internet-Bloggings.

 

But it seems that SI.com realized this and seized this market. They are featuring a lot of Long form articles now, even going Forward in their Marketing by stating "Doing Long-Form since the50ies" or something.

 

ESPN also has adapted and allowed several Quality writings among their flux of sensationalism.

 

I do have a sentimental Sympathie for the ringer, so I hope they can get their stuff together.

post #26451 of 27228
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Curry's knee looked pretty good in OT against Potland...


Well,

maybe it took his toll at the time the finals came?

 

IDK. But something was wrong, and I don't think it was all mental.

post #26452 of 27228
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Well,

maybe it took his toll at the time the finals came?

 

IDK. But something was wrong, and I don't think it was all mental.

post #26453 of 27228
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I have a similar Impression.

The strength of Grantland, at least to me, were his Long-Form indepht articles. Quality writing that almost became a forgotten science in the Age of short-Attention-span-internet-Bloggings.

But it seems that SI.com realized this and seized this market. They are featuring a lot of Long form articles now, even going Forward in their Marketing by stating "Doing Long-Form since the50ies" or something.

ESPN also has adapted and allowed several Quality writings among their flux of sensationalism.

I do have a sentimental Sympathie for the ringer, so I hope they can get their stuff together.

Credit to SI then.

I think Simmons probably wants to avoid the "Grantland copy" press. It's a mistake. It could work in this current form over time, but the writing is not up to it yet. Also, the interface is a bit disjointed in appearance, and so are the topics. I know Grantland had this mix of topics, but it didn't seem so obvious.

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Well,
maybe it took his toll at the time the finals came?

IDK. But something was wrong, and I don't think it was all mental.

It's self evident, the guy just didn't play well, that's all.

I mentioned this in general a while back, but the 3 point line was an eyesore in the finals. Watching guys battle for space 26 feet from the basket reminded me of how 5 yr olds play soccer.
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post #26455 of 27228
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Ok so I decided to check out the Ringer. Read 8 articles so I think the jury's still out. But here's my initial thoughts -

First impression: it's awful. The inane inside-joke/stream of consciousness articles that were at least occasionally funny on Grantland...aren't. The sports articles say nothing new, interesting or even well-reasoned. They focus more on the human relationship and drama aspects of sports figures, which I hate (who gives a fuck about these people when they're not playing). And the writing is atrocious. The only entertaining articles of the 8 were a GoT Q&A by Jason Concepcion, and a piece on KD by Bill Simmons, who wasn't at his best but I think will have to carry this website almost by himself. The other 6 were so stupid that I got IRL annoyed

the podcast line up, Keeping it 1600, Channel 33 stuff like Jam Session (two millennial women shooting the shit), and other stuff is great.

the weird thing for me? I used to love long assed Bill Simmons articles (especially from the ESPN Page 2 days), but now? fuck it I'll just listen passively to podcasts (while mowing the lawn) and read actual literature. I ain't got no time to be reading opinion pieces when reality in sports is so much better. Back in the day I'd read 50 articles about the NBA draft salivating possible trades, on what my celtics could do (or watch to see if Philly or Lakers could fuck up). Now I just wait till the draft is over and assess what happened in reality.
post #26456 of 27228
Speaking of the Celtics, I'm starting to question Ainge. Boston has 8 picks in THIS draft.

They've been trying to shift the picks in trades, but nobody is biting, as Boston's asking prices are high. No team can realistically swallow that many new players, and Ainge is going to get the short stick here with the draft days away. Unless he pulls some magic to restore confidence, the idea of stockpiling assets is looking awkward.

I don't recall a team ever having this many picks in a single draft, what would they do if they were forced to draft all 8 spots? Send them all to the D League? Weird.
post #26457 of 27228
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Speaking of the Celtics, I'm starting to question Ainge. Boston has 8 picks in THIS draft.

They've been trying to shift the picks in trades, but nobody is biting, as Boston's asking prices are high. No team can realistically swallow that many new players, and Ainge is going to get the short stick here with the draft days away. Unless he pulls some magic to restore confidence, the idea of stockpiling assets is looking awkward.

I don't recall a team ever having this many picks in a single draft, what would they do if they were forced to draft all 8 spots? Send them all to the D League? Weird.

trade them all to the sixers for the 1st pick
post #26458 of 27228
It does seem a little odd to stockpile THAT many pics, and this is coming from a Sixers/Hinkie fan. With the NBA's ever-increasing cap allowing teams to hold onto proven talent, and the seeming expanding pool of very good, not necessarily special, players coming into the draft each year that the value of draft picks has taken a hit.
post #26459 of 27228
I find myself wanting the ringer articles to not suck as much as they have.

I think the problem is the type of people they retained from the Grantland staff, who were more of the pop culture and social aspect of sports and media types rather than the true analytic and hardcore sports writers. This plays in well to the HBO tie-in but it's not what everyone wants. The articles are too shallow and short. I want to read more substance and out of no where the article is abruptly over. A pity, which is causing me to supplement with SI and even Deadspin (for better humor).

I do enjoy some of the podcast channels though. I listen while having lunch or when working at my desk.

*Edit* Update

Dirk, Chandler Parsons, and Deron Williams all look like they'll be opting out to see what they fetch on the market. I think every player who can, will opt out to go for the cash grab with the increased caps.
Edited by whiteslashasian - 6/22/16 at 7:36am
post #26460 of 27228
It'll be interesting to have a free agency with so many big names up for grabs.
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