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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Maybe, but remember a few years ago LeBron was a chock machine with no killer instinct. Maybe Curry did tighten up, he can still grow past it.

Agreed. I was just making an observation about what went down this time.
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I just looked at the box score...Kevin Love had the highest plus/minus of all players with +19. Tyronn Lue only went with an 8-man rotation (Mo Williams only played 5 minutes) and LeBron played 47 minutes. Draymond Green and Tristan Thompson were the only 2 players to shoot above 50% from the field (and Tristan Thompson only took 3 shots). Just a weird game stats-wise, but great to watch.

 

Also, the Cavs won game 7 wearing those sleeved jerseys that LeBron talked shit about a while back.

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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Dude. . . are you secretly Barnes agent? Nobody, least of all the Warriors are offering him a max. I think thier prior offer was for 60 million and they are certainly going to offer him less now.

case in point... enes kanter got the max from a team with a frugal owner and analytics forward front office.

he's going to get stupid money this offseason its up to the warriors if they want to match.

other players who will get stupid money this offseason: Batum, Byombo, Noah, ect... everyone is going to get big money because of the incremental salary cap bump. then 2018 hits and its the huge super duper huge bump (because thats when they allow sponsors on jerseys).

so you can just say, fuck it let barnes walk. because in a sense other players who might be equivalents like Batum will go for even higher prices, what then? the bench becomes thin and everything else suffers.

you think Jared Dudley at a slightly cheaper price (because yes even scrubs like Dudley will get paid this offseason) is a better option? maybe, but probably not the same production and a lot older/injury prone.
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

Barnes is the fourth scoring option as a starter for a team that set the NBA record for most records set. 

thus any roster decision concerning barnes cannot be viewed as a matter of reward, it has to be viewed as a matter of potential. whether he pans out or not will remain to be seen but i will stake my reputation on this thread (ha!) that there is more than one NBA GM to take that bet. 

Ok... and a 4th scoring option deserves a max deal? What kind of everyone gets a trophy world is this? It should very well be a matter of reward. There are plenty of dogs in my neighborhood willing to leave potential dogshit in my yard.

Look at Jimmy Butler, was he a 4th or 7th option at some point? Yup. Did he just flaccid penis it until someone handed him a paycheck or did he show what he had? He showed it. Barnes deserves 5m yr/3 years to prove he has chops, and I'm being generous. Stake your reputation and pay him, but you're definitely backing the wrong horse.
Edited by idfnl - 6/20/16 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

case in point... enes kanter got the max from a team with a frugal owner and analytics forward front office.

he's going to get stupid money this offseason its up to the warriors if they want to match.

other players who will get stupid money this offseason: Batum, Byombo, Noah, ect... everyone is going to get big money because of the incremental salary cap bump. then 2018 hits and its the huge super duper huge bump (because thats when they allow sponsors on jerseys).

so you can just say, fuck it let barnes walk. because in a sense other players who might be equivalents like Batum will go for even higher prices, what then? the bench becomes thin and everything else suffers.

you think Jared Dudley at a slightly cheaper price (because yes even scrubs like Dudley will get paid this offseason) is a better option? maybe, but probably not the same production and a lot older/injury prone.

Get real.

Save the money and give a D Leaguer a shot, or fuck it, tell Manu we want to start you for 1 year at 20 mins a game. It would be better than Barnes.

David West and others before him showed us that set for life players are willing to sacrifice for a historically great team. And guys shown the D-League door will work. Let Barnes go.

In other news... uh oh... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/jun/20/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-title-goat
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Ok... and a 4th scoring option deserves a max deal? What kind of everyone gets a trophy world is this? It should very well be a matter of reward. There are plenty of dogs in my neighborhood willing to leave potential dogshit in my yard.

Look at Jimmy Butler, was he a 4th or 7th option at some point? Yup. Did he just flaccid penis it until someone handed him a paycheck or did he show what he had? He showed it. Barnes deserves 5m yr/3 years to prove he has chops, and I'm being generous. Stake your reputation and pay him, but you're definitely backing the wrong horse.


The Warriors bench can beat a few starting lineups. Meanwhile the Bulls failed to make the playoffs last season for the first time in 8 years. 4th option means different things on different teams.

 

To be clear I think he will get paid and I think he will perform. In a year we can compare notes and see how dude fared. 

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Originally Posted by Akeem View Post


how is it not sustainable? Since 1991, MJ/Kobe/Lebron hero ball has won 14 of the 25 titles. And Jordan missed 2 of those seasons. Not saying I like hero ball, but it seems to work if you have the right heroes.

 

Not all hero ball is equal.

MJs heroball evolved, too... his 'ships came after he embraced the threeangle.

 

 

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post
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Love's stop on Curry is honestly the first time I can remember seeing him play good defense...and he was out in space against the shiftiest player in the league. And Irving's dagger three was the classic "oh no oh no WTF are you doing.....ahh yeaaah!!" play. If that didn't go in, he might not have been able to come back to Ohio.

 

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I don't think you're giving the Cavs enough credit, they played big and was successful against the infamous line-up of death. They also managed to adjust and get their defense up with switches but they pretty much had Currys number, he was bad from the get go and that has to be accredited to the Cavs and their bully defense.

I mean the Cavs played without Kyrie and Love last year and the Dubs was helped by the "universe" too. I mean in hindsight, it can be said the Dubs did breezed through their title last year after seeing them choke. Clips eliminated the Spurs and Clips became the Clips and shot themselves on the foot then played against Lebron in practically a 5 vs 1 series (in which Lebron won 2).

 

 

I don't want to take anything away from the Cavs. They won fair and square, and whooped GSWs behind in the last three games.

But honestly, after game 4 and The Nut-Suspension, the series ceased to be about basketball - it became a mental war. Basketball concepts basically went out of the window, especially for GSW.

 

Yes, LeBron and Kyrie went trough the roof, but seriously, where was GSWs famous defense here? We can argue that even the great GSW defense cannot answer when some player go Supersaiyan like Westbrook, Irving and LeBron, but at the very least, during the 73-9 run, GSW could always answer that with an offensive barrage of their own.

 

This is were things went terribly wrong for GSW. Let us be honest - Curry wasn't his MVP self in this Playoffs, starting with his knee injury against Houston. I vaguely remember mentioning this possibility at the start of the Houston-GSW series because I remember what P-Bev did to Westbrook last year, so yes, I take responsibility for this. Houston Rockets have decided this years Championship again, yeah!

 

That dagger-three Irving made in Currys face? That is a bread-and-butter move of MVP-Steph. But Steph didn't pull it out even once in the finals, and he was missing wide open looks too.

 

THe last 3 minutes of G7 were bizarre. Come on, one of the most prolific offensive team in history failing to score in the last 3 minutes, missing open layups, fast breaks, and open shots? Bizarre.

 

And yes, of course, The Charge by LeBron blew my mind. My jaw actually fell off at that play. That was Supersaiyan level 3.

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Originally Posted by double00 View Post
 

barnes is still a phenom prospect who hasn't had a chance to fully develop as a cornerstone on this roster. crazy as it might sound i like Klay/Green/Barnes better as a core and i think Curry is maybe the most expendable piece. If i had to choose between Curry and Klay I'd pick Klay all day long and go find a point guard who doesn't turn the ball over.

 Oh come on now. Let us all have a longer memory span than 1 week. Curry is still an incredible talent that will continue to change the game. There is only one LeBron James anyway.

 

It will be interesting to see what this defeat will make of the Warriors. I suspect, with the strong characters they have, both on the team and on the training staff, they will come out stronger. They won't chase any regular season records any longer, but they will mold themselves more towards the Spurs model - all efforts lead toward the playoffs.

 

(The Spurs defeat against the Thunder is another story).

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Curry's knee looked pretty good in OT against Potland...
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

...I was remembering an interview with Joe Montana where Montana was talking about how the pressure of the Super Bowl and conference championships is just unimaginable to someone who hasn't been there. He talked about being so stressed (I think the moment he was talking about was just before he threw the famous TD pass to Dwight Clark) that he had to call timeout because he was going to puke or pass out in the huddle.

Do you think Steph will ever have his "Hey, is that John Candy?" moment?
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post


The Warriors bench can beat a few starting lineups. Meanwhile the Bulls failed to make the playoffs last season for the first time in 8 years. 4th option means different things on different teams.

To be clear I think he will get paid and I think he will perform. In a year we can compare notes and see how dude fared. 

I agree someone will be (stupid enough) to pay him, and I definitely want to see what he does when the motivation to earn a payday is gone.

I doubt the Warriors bench can beat any starting lineup, this reminds me of when people said UNLV would beat an NBA team.
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barnes is today's version of marvin williams
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Originally Posted by globobock View Post

Not all hero ball is equal.
MJs heroball evolved, too... his 'ships came after he embraced the threeangle.

lol
his 'ships came after his team became a collection of all-star level talent capable of winning 50+ on their own (94 bulls won 55games).

Hero ball is hero ball but mj and to lesser extent kobe could get away with it since they were very good at it, lbj/bird/magic are way more of teamplayers, but overall i doubt it matters much how you're winning as long as you win.
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Barnes really shit the bed in the finals. No problem. I bet at least one team sees him as the next James Harden: a third or fourth option who will blossom when he becomes the first option.
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Since we were talking about The Ringer and the hoops season is over anyway, I'll put this here. Just tried to read the new piece on The Ringer about the Red Hot Chili Peppers' new album. I'm not a big Chili Peppers fan - I was just bored. It's pretty much unreadable in its desperate effort to work a "Simmons style" tongue in cheek pop culture trope into every other sentence and just generally crappy writing.
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Since we were talking about The Ringer and the hoops season is over anyway, I'll put this here. Just tried to read the new piece on The Ringer about the Red Hot Chili Peppers' new album. I'm not a big Chili Peppers fan - I was just bored. It's pretty much unreadable in its desperate effort to work a "Simmons style" tongue in cheek pop culture trope into every other sentence and just generally crappy writing.

Ya, there was a Cavs article about G7 that was so bad it got pulled, at least I dont see it now. There's work to do there.
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