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post #26416 of 27206
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Dubs just needs to sign Joakim Noah and maybe Batum to replace Barnes and the chip might be their to lose once again.

I think Howard hinted that he'd love to sign with the Dubs and I think he'd actually fit in there, Green could probably keep him in check and he'd be a more athletic Bogut.

Dwight Howard? OMG no. Not in a million years.

Harrison Barnes is a below average player on a great team. Anyone that pays him is stupid, including the Warriors. Batum would be a great fit.

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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

I think thats why theres all the rumors about GSW going after KD this offseason, because they need to potentially break up/trade Klay or Curry in the next two years because they might be forced to max out/match a max offer for harrison barnes this offseason.

Why on earth would they pay a guy that performed this badly in the finals? Seriously question, what's the attraction to this guy?
post #26417 of 27206
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Lebron with the ultimate final troll of the season




and his hat has the Kermit drinking tea gif

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barnes is still a phenom prospect who hasn't had a chance to fully develop as a cornerstone on this roster. crazy as it might sound i like Klay/Green/Barnes better as a core and i think Curry is maybe the most expendable piece. If i had to choose between Curry and Klay I'd pick Klay all day long and go find a point guard who doesn't turn the ball over.

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I'm not nearly as down on Barnes as some folks, but I find it hard to see the justification for pay max money to keep him. He's been a good system guy for them, but I certainly don't think he brings anything unique to the table. I have to imagine GS can replace him with someone at least as valuable if not more so at significantly less money, especially when you consider there are always maybe-not-great-but-good-especially-in-the-right-situation guys who are looking for a role with a contender.
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barnes is still a phenom prospect who hasn't had a chance to fully develop as a cornerstone on this roster. crazy as it might sound i like Klay/Green/Barnes better as a core and i think Curry is maybe the most expendable piece. If i had to choose between Curry and Klay I'd pick Klay all day long and go find a point guard who doesn't turn the ball over.

hey everyone seems to hate on barnes, but he's going to get a ridiculous contract from someone this offseason (near max or a fucking max) and it forces GS to match it if they want to keep him. if they have the balls to just let him go then great that means they have a ton of money to pursue someone who could actually be worth it like KD.

green was actually a total project who developed slowly into a MVP candidate. barnes has the pedigree too if you can look past the hate/shitty performance in limited minutes.
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Wow everyone turning on curry.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Lebron with the ultimate final troll of the season




and his hat has the Kermit drinking tea gif


Pics aren't working for me.
post #26423 of 27206
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Wow everyone turning on curry.
Ha, true. If it seemed like I'm on that bandwagon, I'm not. I do think he let the pressure get to him those last couple of games. But that doesn't erase what he brings to the table, and I assume he can put it behind him and use it for motivation. When I was watching him and when writing my earlier post I was remembering an interview with Joe Montana where Montana was talking about how the pressure of the Super Bowl and conference championships is just unimaginable to someone who hasn't been there. He talked about being so stressed (I think the moment he was talking about was just before he threw the famous TD pass to Dwight Clark) that he had to call timeout because he was going to puke or pass out in the huddle. And Montana ended up having an OK career.
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hey everyone seems to hate on barnes, but he's going to get a ridiculous contract from someone this offseason (near max or a fucking max) and it forces GS to match it if they want to keep him. if they have the balls to just let him go then great that means they have a ton of money to pursue someone who could actually be worth it like KD.

green was actually a total project who developed slowly into a MVP candidate. barnes has the pedigree too if you can look past the hate/shitty performance in limited minutes.

Well, yeah, but it's one thing to develop a project guy while you have him at a relatively fair price. It's another to commit yourself to max money based on a perceived potential that's not yet been realized. It's not like these playoffs became the showcase for demonstrating that he's ready to realize that potential, the way Kawhi did a couple of years ago.
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Pics aren't working for me.

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Lebron with the ultimate final troll of the season

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and his hat has the Kermit drinking tea gif

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one man's project is another man's blue chip. one of the crazy things about GS is by and large it's a homegrown team. remember they chose Curry over Monta when they realized that they had a tiny backcourt that didn't include a true point guard. then they got Nash to coach up Curry on how to protect and distribute the basketball. he's not a natural point guard imo.

 

and FTR i certainly don't hate Curry, he's great and had an mvp season. but while he's amazing on ball, can create his own shot and forces advantageous spacing on the floor he made a lot of terrible decisions with the basketball not only this series but all postseason. the OKC series and the finals came down to rebounds and turnovers. GS has no transition offense whatsoever against long athletic teams which is not good for a team that relies on pace and flow to stay efficient. 

 

and Lebron can say what he likes at this point. he's certainly had to listen to enough of it when he's come up short. 

post #26427 of 27206
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

barnes is still a phenom prospect who hasn't had a chance to fully develop as a cornerstone on this roster. crazy as it might sound i like Klay/Green/Barnes better as a core and i think Curry is maybe the most expendable piece. If i had to choose between Curry and Klay I'd pick Klay all day long and go find a point guard who doesn't turn the ball over.

This is otherworldly. You'd really rather have a guy that shoots 0-9 in a finals game over Curry? And still a phenom prospect? He's barely clinging to the label of being a middling role player. Whatever potential exists, it's woefully unrealized, and he's had the stage to do it. Might be perception, but he was worse these playoffs than last by quite some margin.

Putting on the GM hat, he's damaged his stock badly through poor performances. I see no logic in rewarding it. I would be very pleased to see him leave for stupid money and damage someone elses cap.

Shumpert should have taught us the foibles of rewarding potential. But I guess the stupid money knows no boundary.
post #26428 of 27206
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This all makes sense, but I think it was a little more than that with Curry. Maybe he was overcompensation for not feeling like he could do everything he wanted physically at 100%. But in the last two games at least, it looked to me like he was playing nervous and panicked. Sloppy turnovers that often seemed to come from frantically rushed decision-making, plus some poorly chosen shots. Admittedly the latter is a is more debatable, since Curry often takes shots that would be considered bad shots for anyone else, but when they go in are just "Steph being Steph". But the turnovers in particular really gave me the impression the pressure was getting to him. Leave aside contrasting him with Lebron or Irving -- the contrast with Tray Thompson is enough. Thompson wasn't perfect of course, but he seemed to play much more under control in pressure situations.

Maybe, but remember a few years ago LeBron was a chock machine with no killer instinct. Maybe Curry did tighten up, he can still grow past it.
post #26429 of 27206
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

I didn't say that GSW wouldn't be championship contenders next year, but...

lets say they drop $200,000,000 on Barnes (by matching any max offer) and Whiteside... then before you know it Curry and Klay will want their max contracts. More importantly Curry will get a Mega Max contract in 2018. . If they still have the derrick rose provision then they will max out Klay in 2019 meaning their max players will be barnes, curry, whiteside and Klay. That doesn't leave enough room for a bench/roll players and looming Green Max Contract by 2020.

I think thats why theres all the rumors about GSW going after KD this offseason, because they need to potentially break up/trade Klay or Curry in the next two years because they might be forced to max out/match a max offer for harrison barnes this offseason. GSW needs to sign a max contract player who's actually worth it.

its weird how it works out, but since the nba has a salary cap, even if its going to increase, they're on the cusp of immediately having two max contract guys who aren't their franchise players and who might not even be worth it (barnes and a potential free agent like whiteside) by next season sucking up the majority of the cap space before the mega max offers for curry/klay/green come along.

Dude. . . are you secretly Barnes agent? Nobody, least of all the Warriors are offering him a max. I think thier prior offer was for 60 million and they are certainly going to offer him less now.
post #26430 of 27206
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This is otherworldly. You'd really rather have a guy that shoots 0-9 in a finals game over Curry? And still a phenom prospect? He's barely clinging to the label of being a middling role player. Whatever potential exists, it's woefully unrealized, and he's had the stage to do it. Might be perception, but he was worse these playoffs than last by quite some margin.

Putting on the GM hat, he's damaged his stock badly, and hasn't performed. I see no logic in rewarding it. I would be very pleased to see him leave for stupid money and damage someone elses cap.

Barnes is the fourth scoring option as a starter for a team that set the NBA record for most records set. 

 

thus any roster decision concerning barnes cannot be viewed as a matter of reward, it has to be viewed as a matter of potential. whether he pans out or not will remain to be seen but i will stake my reputation on this thread (ha!) that there is more than one NBA GM to take that bet. 

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