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post #25726 of 27250
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Warriors win by 27 or so, but Kanter has a +/- of -17 for the 18 minutes he played? Pretty bad sign.

You mean Thunder.
post #25727 of 27250
What summarizes the Warriors so far is overconfidence and lackadaisical play. Draymond Green is distracted with his side shows, and Bogut can't handle the pace of the game. And Kerr has been outcoached.

GSW is the better team, but they'll lose if they can't change their attitude.
Edited by idfnl - 5/23/16 at 5:20am
post #25728 of 27250
It's been fascinating watching coaches come up with solutions to win games only to be countered the very next game.

It was the same thing in the Spurs series. I'm sure this is a regular occurrence in basketball but i'd never observed it before. Donovan has been very quick to react.
post #25729 of 27250
It's not like GSW hasn't been down in playoffs (IIRC Memphis last year was up) but I'm guessing there is no magical "don't guard Tony Allen" formula that will work on this OKC team. At least, not one that I can think of that is glaringly obvious...
post #25730 of 27250
Draymond is so full of shit, its written all over his face.


post #25731 of 27250
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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

It's not like GSW hasn't been down in playoffs (IIRC Memphis last year was up) but I'm guessing there is no magical "don't guard Tony Allen" formula that will work on this OKC team. At least, not one that I can think of that is glaringly obvious...

they already have been using the magical formula. their strategy was whoever is guarding roberson leave him alone and play 5v4 defense instead. but roberson has been making his threes.
post #25732 of 27250
Draymond is popular because he's an outspoken, honest, scrappy underdog but he needs to be careful about backlash. Because he is starting to get tiresome
post #25733 of 27250
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Thunder win by 27 or so, but Kanter has a +/- of -17 for the 18 minutes he played? Pretty bad sign.

means nothing
post #25734 of 27250
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Originally Posted by marvin100 View Post

You mean Thunder.

I think he was talking about game 2.

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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

It's not like GSW hasn't been down in playoffs (IIRC Memphis last year was up) but I'm guessing there is no magical "don't guard Tony Allen" formula that will work on this OKC team. At least, not one that I can think of that is glaringly obvious...


I still think it is for the Dubs to lose but the team they are facing this year are healthy and has bigs that can play against their "line-up of death".

Last time they were down 2-1 was against the Cavs in the Finals last year and that was against a lonesome Lebron bulldozing his way through everyone.

And I think Green should have been given a tech forone of these taunts, I really see no difference in it and Ibaka waving his finger at someones face after a block. If I were Adams or Kanter I'd hit Green to start something and get the refs to do a replay and get Green a tech.

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post #25735 of 27250
Also, sports "reporting" has gotten insane and I mostly blame ESPN. I can already tell that there are at least 10 front page articles about Green's kick to the groin.

We need to cut 90% of sports reporting and editorial jobs so the media doesn't make up so much bullshit to fill space. Just the other day I saw Kyle Lowry field questions on whether he "quit on his team", because he had to leave the bench to go to the bathroom in an ECF game
post #25736 of 27250
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Also, sports "reporting" has gotten insane and I mostly blame ESPN. I can already tell that there are at least 10 front page articles about Green's kick to the groin.

We need to cut 90% of sports reporting and editorial jobs so the media doesn't make up so much bullshit to fill space. Just the other day I saw Kyle Lowry field questions on whether he "quit on his team", because he had to leave the bench to go to the bathroom in an ECF game

Which bathroom did he use?
post #25737 of 27250
i think that's a better question than asking whether he quit on his team
post #25738 of 27250
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Also, sports "reporting" has gotten insane and I mostly blame ESPN. I can already tell that there are at least 10 front page articles about Green's kick to the groin.

We need to cut 90% of sports reporting and editorial jobs so the media doesn't make up so much bullshit to fill space. Just the other day I saw Kyle Lowry field questions on whether he "quit on his team", because he had to leave the bench to go to the bathroom in an ECF game

Same generality for 90% of life now. All this "news" on "news channels" and every rain storm overstated to death on weather channels.
post #25739 of 27250
I wasn't watching that closely, but did the referees call a foul on Green for the nut-kick before reviewing the video? I didn't think so, but I could well have missed it.

I'm curious because my (possibly mistaken, of course) understanding is that as a general matter the officials aren't supposed to use replay to go back and find a foul that wasn't called on the floor, as opposed to deciding whether a call that was made on the floor should be a common foul or flagrant 1/2. In fact, while there may be other rules that apply here that I'm not aware of, this excerpt from the league's website suggests they can't even use replay to upgrade from a common foul to a flagrant -- that replay is only supposed to be used when a flagrant was called on the floor:



Review of Flagrant Fouls
Since the 2012-13 season, referees have reviewed all Flagrant Foul calls any time a flagrant foul call is made. (Prior to this, since 2007-08, referees would call either a Flagrant Foul 1 or 2 on the floor and review only Flagrant 2 calls.) This is an automatic trigger and referees are required to conduct the review regardless of score and time remaining.

The definition for a flagrant foul is:

Flagrant Foul Penalty 1: Unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent
Flagrant Foul Penalty 2: Unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent
When a flagrant foul call is made, referees conduct a review and consider the following:

The severity of the contact,
Whether or not the player was making a legitimate basketball play,
Whether, on a foul committed with a player's arm or hand, the fouling player wound up and/or followed through after making contact,
The potential for injury resulting from contact (e.g., a blow to the head and a foul committed while a player is in a vulnerable position),
The severity of any injury suffered by the offended player, and
The outcome of the contact (e.g., whether it led to an altercation).
The officials can also review whether any other players committed unsportsmanlike acts or unnecessary contact immediately prior to and/or immediately following the calling of the Flagrant Foul.

Based on their review and the criteria, they will assess the appropriate penalty:

Flagrant Foul 1 or 2
Foul, but not flagrant, or
Technical Foul
Both flagrant fouls carry a penalty of two free throws and the team that was fouled retains possession. An FF2 also results in the ejection of the player committing the foul (a player who commits two FF1's in the same game is also ejected).


Can someone point out the flaws in my analysis, of which there are probably several?
post #25740 of 27250
I think it's as simple as Green playing by the "call your foul" rules.
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