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So the lesson is taking a chance on a player just shouldn't be done ever and SA should've let Kawhi walk (because there's no way he wasn't getting offered a max from at least one other team in the league) and become an All-NBA player elsewhere. Cool, got it.

Same was said of Andrew Bynum, Rashard Lewis, Marbury, Penny Hardaway, Allan Houston, oh wait, how about Gilbert Arenas? Eddy Curry! Amare! LOL Larry Hughes? Lets not forget Juwan Howard. My personal favorite, that Shawn Kemp contract.

Oh, and Jayson Williams was definitely going to be an all star player elsewhere.

You'll see the same mistake this summer with D Howard and Whiteside.
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Same was said of Andrew Bynum, Rashard Lewis, Marbury, Penny Hardaway, Allan Houston, oh wait, how about Gilbert Arenas? Eddy Curry! Amare! LOL Larry Hughes? Lets not forget Juwan Howard. My personal favorite, that Shawn Kemp contract.

Oh, and Jayson Williams was definitely going to be an all star player elsewhere.

You'll see the same mistake this summer with D Howard and Whiteside.

 

Stop bringing other players into the discussion. We're talking about Kawhi Leonard here. If SA let him walk, armchair warriors like you (but with more sense) would be tearing them to pieces for giving up a franchise player. SA has always made good decisions when it comes to personnel and they're great evaluators of talent.

 

Also, thanks for conveniently omitting the last sentence of my previous post, which was completely valid justification for giving him a max.

 

And before I forget, one of my favorite bits from Bill Simmons:

 

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 Six sarcastic retorts if/when a buddy says to you, “I just don’t know if Kawhi is a max guy. He’s putting up only 15 and 7 every night and he hasn’t been healthy all season … I think he might take a discount to stay.”

1. “Yeah, it’s not like the league is drifting toward über-athletic forwards who can make 3s, defend both forward spots and thrive in small ball AND big ball.”

2. “Great point, David Kahn.”

3. “You’re right, half the league’s teams have enough cap space to offer him a max contract this summer — there’s no way someone will bite.”

4. “No way he can put up better stats — NBA players always peak statistically at 23 when they’re the fourth option on a contender.”

5. “Yeah, he’ll take a discount to stay — he’s made less than $8 million playing basketball these last four years. He’s definitely ready to leave gobs of money on the table.”

6. “Hold on, I’m gonna make a list of everyone who can successfully defend LeBron or Durant in a seven-game series. Kawhi Leonard, and … oh, wait, we’re done.”
post #25323 of 27206
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

Stop bringing other players into the discussion. We're talking about Kawhi Leonard here. If SA let him walk, armchair warriors like you (but with more sense) would be tearing them to pieces for giving up a franchise player. SA has always made good decisions when it comes to personnel and they're great evaluators of talent.

Also, thanks for conveniently omitting the last sentence of my previous post, which was completely valid justification for giving him a max.

We're talking about paying Leonard, and one way to judge whether it's deserved is history which is a consistent stream of horribly overpaid players. Leonard was averaging 16 and 7, just not enough to warrant a max. After this season, yes. In hindsight it would have been the right move to give him a max, but hindsight, in your armchair, is easy.

Read the thread history last year and that crowd that said Gobert deserved a max. Where are they?

All the players I mentioned were more or less statistically on par with Leonard's numbers, just consider all the "valid justifications" that led to paying Eddy Curry. And just look at Omir Asik at the end of the bench sucking up salary. And Roy Hibbert.
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Idiot. If they're right in hindsight, that means they were right all along. You were just too stupid to realize it when they did.

 

And none of those players you listed ever won a championship and Finals MVP. The one guy you listed who did win (Andrew Bynum) never got a big shiny max contract -- he got a 2-year/$25-mil deal that was mostly incentive-laden (only $6 mil guaranteed) because Cleveland knew of his injury history.

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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

Idiot. If they're right in hindsight, that means they were right all along. You were just too stupid to realize it when they did.

And none of those players you listed ever won a championship and Finals MVP. The one guy you listed who did win (Andrew Bynum) never got a big shiny max contract -- he got a 2-year/$25-mil deal that was mostly incentive-laden (only $6 mil guaranteed) because Cleveland knew of his injury history.

Nobody was right all along about Leonard, you're struggling with creeping determinism.

I never said Andrew Bynum got a max deal.
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No shit, this is the best thread on sf right now
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Watching Kawhi dismantle OKC rn....making certain posters look foolish in his wake.
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Goddamn, Spurs, 43 points in the first quarter. O_o
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Originally Posted by HORNS View Post

Goddamn, Spurs, 43 points in the first quarter. O_o

Icy-Hot Green is back icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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EDIT: ^ What he said.

 

Danny Green 4/4 from 3 point range. I hope he keeps it up for the playoffs.

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Is there a reason Donovan is a "real" coach? Appears to be getting worse results with a significantly better team than Brooks had.

I don't know shit about basketball, fwiw.
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All the social media idiots are praising the luke walton choice acting as if he's going to turn current lakers into current warriors.

I still can't believe they gave that fool a 5 year deal.
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Is there a reason Donovan is a "real" coach? Appears to be getting worse results with a significantly better team than Brooks had.

I don't know shit about basketball, fwiw.
He was a very good college coach. Doesn't always translate to the pros, but I figured it wasn't possible to be shittier than Scotty "One Play" Brooks, hence the crack about OkC getting a "real coach"
post #25334 of 27206
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Originally Posted by jet View Post

All the social media idiots are praising the luke walton choice acting as if he's going to turn current lakers into current warriors.

I still can't believe they gave that fool a 5 year deal.


good pedigree, maybe they feel like he can develop a system and then draft/sign players into that system. 

 

a long-term deal was probably the only way to get him out of oakland

 

i don't think the lakers are expecting a ring next year, who cares what social media idiots think?

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Originally Posted by jet View Post

All the social media idiots are praising the luke walton choice acting as if he's going to turn current lakers into current warriors.

I still can't believe they gave that fool a 5 year deal.

Can't be worse than Byron Scott
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