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post #25246 of 27197
hoping warriors can beat off CP3 less clips in the second round. best case scenario

but portland might go instead. would be fun either way

plumlee is basically the draymond of the blazers. clippers trap dame or CJ and they pass out to plumlee who finds the open man
Edited by indesertum - 4/26/16 at 1:04am
post #25247 of 27197
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post


lol. Nice try.. Lakers had the second worst record. I was saying keep the pic if its top 2, maybe top 3. I ever said anything about trading the #9 pick. Kind of facetious argument. 

D'Angelo Russell - 13-3-3 (in his first season - with partial minutes due to Scott benching him/screwing him for 2/3 the year)
+ Lakers Lottery Pick (probably top 5 at worst)
+Cap savings (5.3mm for Russell and 16.4 for Butler, and Russell is locked up at low rate for 4 more years)

vs

Jimmy Butler - 20-5-5 (16/17/18/19mm next 4 years)

please explain why this is so bad?

BTW - 

Butler stats
yr1 - 2ppg-1reb-0ast
yr2 - 9ppg-4reb-1.5ast
yr3 - 13ppg-5reb-3ast

Russel stats
Yr1 - 13ppg-3reb-3ast

That's why its a LOTTERY. 2nd worst offers a probability of a higher pick. You said lower pick, and from my math 9 is lower than 1 or 2. But by all means, pick 5 "at worst" as a number that is both lower and makes you comfortable, but they only have a 55% chance at a top 3 and 15 teams have a mathematical chance at #1.

Butler is an impact player that took a couple of years to emerge, not unlike Kwhai Leonard. You want to compare Russell year 1 stats on a suck ass team to a 50 win playoff Chicago team, go ahead but it's empty.

If I was a Lakers GM, Russell is a potential cancer that has little to no value right now. If I trade after the lottery is cast, I stand a reasonable chance of my main asset, the pick, being devalued, so I make the move now.
post #25248 of 27197
I can't decide. Who'd you rather have? Leonard or Pippen?

post #25249 of 27197
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That's why its a LOTTERY. 2nd worst offers a probability of a higher pick. You said lower pick, and from my math 9 is lower than 1 or 2. But by all means, pick 5 "at worst" as a number that is both lower and makes you comfortable, but they only have a 55% chance at a top 3 and 15 teams have a mathematical chance at #1.

Butler is an impact player that took a couple of years to emerge, not unlike Kwhai Leonard. You want to compare Russell year 1 stats on a suck ass team to a 50 win playoff Chicago team, go ahead but it's empty.

If I was a Lakers GM, Russell is a potential cancer that has little to no value right now. If I trade after the lottery is cast, I stand a reasonable chance of my main asset, the pick, being devalued, so I make the move now.

So, yes, D'Angelo Russel broke the Bro code and made a terribly mistake by posting that Video.

 

But he is still last years #2 pick, a potential Franchise PG and actually played great. And is barely 20 yrs old.

 

Would you really throw him away because of that Video? I would rather trade Nick Young and his Swaggy Nonsense P.

post #25250 of 27197

BTW, if the Lakers hire Ettore Messina, that would be great.

 

People were talking about David Blatt and his international experience? He actually won the Euroleague only once.

 

Messina won it 4 times(!) and was doing his apprenticeship by being Pops assistant. with his Pedigree, that shows humbleness.

post #25251 of 27197
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BTW, if the Lakers hire Ettore Messina, that would be great.

People were talking about David Blatt and his international experience? He actually won the Euroleague only once.

Messina won it 4 times(!) and was doing his apprenticeship by being Pops assistant. with his Pedigree, that shows humbleness.

All Spurs' assistant coaches have clauses forbidding them to join the Lakers.
post #25252 of 27197
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

I can't decide. Who'd you rather have? Leonard or Pippen?


It's close, but Pippen. Pippen carried that Bulls team into the playoffs. It was him, Horace Grant, and a bunch of guys like Bill Wennington and Toni Kukoc. I don't think Leonard could do the same.
post #25253 of 27197
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

I can't decide. Who'd you rather have? Leonard or Pippen?


this is a tough one. scottie's biggest weakness was a lack of a consistent jump shot. he could spot up and hit the 3, but he wasn't very good shooting off the dribble. it's also why his free throw % wasn't so great. but he excelled in every other aspect of the game and especially on defense. kawhi is just as good on D and has a more polished offensive game. but I am not convinced of his floor game yet. his current role is to score and play defense. if he starts to create more for others and initiate the offense, he will probably end up with better career than pip. both have had good and bad moments in the playoffs as well, but kawhi has that finals mvp already.
post #25254 of 27197
Pippen's one of the 50 greatest players of all time. He was every bit as fearsome as Kawhi on defense, a better offensive player, and essentially the Bulls' point guard as well. It's not close. But Kawhi still has a lot of career in front of him, so who knows if he becomes better when he hits his prime...
post #25255 of 27197
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Pippen's one of the 50 greatest players of all time. He was every bit as fearsome as Kawhi on defense, a better offensive player, and essentially the Bulls' point guard as well. It's not close. But Kawhi still has a lot of career in front of him, so who knows if he becomes better when he hits his prime...

just curious to why you think pip was a better player on offense. pip was the better playmaker but leonard seems to be the better and more efficient scorer.
post #25256 of 27197
The playmaking is the huge difference. He was a better offensive player because he was better at scoring by setting up his teammates. I don't have time to fact check but I believe their shooting efficiencies were about the same. Pip was also a better ball handler and could get to the basket easier (note that defenses back then were allowed to hand check and hammer you when getting into the paint)
post #25257 of 27197
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Originally Posted by globobock View Post

So, yes, D'Angelo Russel broke the Bro code and made a terribly mistake by posting that Video.

But he is still last years #2 pick, a potential Franchise PG and actually played great. And is barely 20 yrs old.

Would you really throw him away because of that Video? I would rather trade Nick Young and his Swaggy Nonsense P.

It's not a question of talent, it's that the team/fans hate him. Also, stories were present all season about his general attitude.
post #25258 of 27197
Pippen on defense was like Kawhi AND draymond green. There were times pippen guarded patrick ewing and other centers like alonzo mourning but also would check whomever team's star was too (so that meant guarding anyone from pointguards, 2guards, forwards, ect).

remember when Pippen checked john stockton AND karl malone in the finals (during crunchtime). plus he was expected to score 20pts, get 5-10reb, steals, and assists on top of that.

thats what made those 2nd 3peat bulls teams so dangerous, you had Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman swarming on defense. I could only imagine how suffocating the defense would be if they were allowed to play zone.
post #25259 of 27197
Pippen one of the most overrated players of all time.
post #25260 of 27197
Speaking as a Bulls fan, I'd choose Pippen but like someone mentioned, Kawhi still has so much potential to get ahead of him. He's athletic AF too
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