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But he doesnt have to be better than butler. Him +top 3 pick has to be better than butler. Which is possible.

A top 10 guy with great offensive efficiency, solid defensive stopper, and a great motor, and he's what, 25 or so? In return you trade away a guy everyone on the team hates and a chance at a top 10 player at some unknown point in the future?

Of course you get Butler.
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I think the problem is the lakers need more pieces in general. 2 above average > 1 great -  especially if the 2 above average are cheap, and enable them to sign a great player in free agency.

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I think the problem is the lakers need more pieces in general. 2 above average > 1 great -  especially if the 2 above average are cheap, and enable them to sign a great player in free agency.

Derric Fisher PLAYER COACH.
post #25234 of 27226
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

I think the problem is the lakers need more pieces in general. 2 above average > 1 great -  especially if the 2 above average are cheap, and enable them to sign a great player in free agency.

That's a fair point, but are you familiar with Bill Simmons' pu-pu platter theory?

Anyway, the devil is obviously in the details, but here's where I disagree somewhat:

The goal should be building a championship contender, not just "getting better" and ending up stuck in mediocrity. One great player and a bunch of pretty good players generally isn't going to get it done.
Trade for one great player and sign another in free agency, and you have the core of contender. History suggests that actually makes it a lot easier to get "above average" pieces, sometimes at a market discount, because players who are eager to win see that you're offering them a credible shot.
Unless that draft pick turns out to be one of those rare guys who can perform at an All Star level from the day he first steps on an NBA court, [Any Free Agent You Want] + Lakers current roster + one pretty good rookie ain't even close to enough to get it done.
post #25235 of 27226
I understand what you're saying. If the Lakers get the #1 or 2 pick (Ben Simmons, Buddy Hield, etc), I'd keep it and Russell. If it's lower, the trade makes more sense.
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

I understand what you're saying. If the Lakers get the #1 or 2 pick (Ben Simmons, Buddy Hield, etc), I'd keep it and Russell. If it's lower, the trade makes more sense.

Ok, but if that happens and it all goes to shit I'm blaming you.
post #25237 of 27226
Can't be any worse than some of the GMs in the league.
post #25238 of 27226
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

I understand what you're saying. If the Lakers get the #1 or 2 pick (Ben Simmons, Buddy Hield, etc), I'd keep it and Russell. If it's lower, the trade makes more sense.

Needing the draft pick to fall your way, then you need to see that draft pick become a top 40 player within a reasonable time. A rudimentary statistical analysis would start to question your logic.

The word "if" is a crafty devil... "if it's lower" why would Chicago give up Butler with the 9th pick on offer? You need to play the hand with the turn and the river to come and that means deal now.
post #25239 of 27226
ah man, the Hornets have turned it on and are skunking the Heat frown.gif
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Never easy being a Warriors fan.
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CP3 with a fractured right hand.  If Clippers manage to advance, it will be a battle of backup PGs.

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The word "if" is a crafty devil... "if it's lower" why would Chicago give up Butler with the 9th pick on offer? You need to play the hand with the turn and the river to come and that means deal now.


lol. Nice try.. Lakers had the second worst record. I was saying keep the pic if its top 2, maybe top 3. I ever said anything about trading the #9 pick. Kind of facetious argument. 

 

D'Angelo Russell - 13-3-3 (in his first season - with partial minutes due to Scott benching him/screwing him for 2/3 the year)

+ Lakers Lottery Pick (probably top 5 at worst)

+Cap savings (5.3mm for Russell and 16.4 for Butler, and Russell is locked up at low rate for 4 more years)

 

vs

 

Jimmy Butler - 20-5-5 (16/17/18/19mm next 4 years)

 

please explain why this is so bad?

 

BTW - 

 

Butler stats

yr1 - 2ppg-1reb-0ast

yr2 - 9ppg-4reb-1.5ast

yr3 - 13ppg-5reb-3ast

 

Russel stats

Yr1 - 13ppg-3reb-3ast


Edited by venividivicibj - 4/25/16 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by ellsbebc View Post
 

CP3 with a fractured right hand.  If Clippers manage to advance, it will be a battle of backup PGs.


clips are fucked

post #25244 of 27226
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clips are fucked

Welcome to the past month of the Grizzlies. Knew we were outmatched going into the playoffs but our guys were resilient all year and fought to the bitter end. Cannot ask for anything more from that hodgepodge group of a "team". Sure, Coach Joerger will be ridiculed on social media for his emotional press conference, but I think he earned a great deal of respect from around the league.
post #25245 of 27226
As much as I hate CP3, that sucked. Playoff injuries, sheeit.
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