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Bryant savage af.
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Against the Kobe-Stopper, no less.

That's not Raja Bell
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Patterson was a second-round selection of the 1998 NBA Draft (31st pick overall), chosen by the Los Angeles Lakers. Due to the lock-out season of 1998, he started the season in the Greek league playing with AEK Athens BC where he averaged 12.6 points and 3.6 rebounds in 19 games. He later played for the Lakers, the Seattle SuperSonics, the Portland Trail Blazers, the Denver Nuggets, the Milwaukee Bucks, and the Los Angeles Clippers, averaging a career 10.7 points and 4.2 rebounds per game.[1] He nicknamed himself the "Kobe Stopper" after claiming he could play strong defense against NBA superstar Kobe Bryant.
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I always liked Patterson and he smothered him on that play, but self styled names or not, Bell was the real Kobe stopper.
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lol @ any kobe stoppers
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I thought the Kobe Stopper conversation was a clever bit of gamesmanship by Patterson. I think he was trying to prick Kobe's ego and have him start abandoning the team strategy, and piss off Shaq and Phil, by proving Patterson wrong. It didn't quite work (Blazers lost series) but I wonder if it did make the Lakers' lives more difficult
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Originally Posted by jet View Post

lol @ any kobe stoppers

If what Tim Donaghty wrote is true, then you're sorta right. I tend to believe it because of that Lakers Kings series. Worst refereeing ever.

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Relationships between NBA players and referees were generally all over the board — love, hate, and everything in-between. Some players, even very good ones, were targeted by referees and the league because they were too talented for their own good. Raja Bell, formerly of the Phoenix Suns and now a member of the Charlotte Bobcats, was one of those players. A defensive specialist throughout his career, Bell had a reputation for being a "star stopper." His defensive skills were so razor sharp that he could shut down a superstar, or at least make him work for his points. Kobe Bryant was often frustrated by Bell's tenacity on defense. Let's face it, no one completely shuts down a player of Kobe's caliber, but Bell could frustrate Kobe, take him out of his game, and interrupt his rhythm.

You would think that the NBA would love a guy who plays such great defense. Think again! Star stoppers hurt the promotion of marquee players. Fans don't pay high prices to see players like Raja Bell — they pay to see superstars like Kobe Bryant score 40 points. Basketball purists like to see good defense, but the NBA wants the big names to score big points.

If a player of Kobe's stature collides with the likes of Raja Bell, the call will almost always go for Kobe and against Bell. As part of our ongoing training and game preparation, NBA referees regularly receive game-action video tape from the league office. Over the years, I have reviewed many recorded hours of video involving Raja Bell. The footage I analyzed usually illustrated fouls being called against Bell, rarely for him. The message was subtle but clear — call fouls against the star stopper because he's hurting the game.
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Lol Simmons already making excuses for why the Celtics lost.

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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

If what Tim Donaghty wrote is true, then you're sorta right. I tend to believe it because of that Lakers Kings series. Worst refereeing ever.

I have no trouble believing that kind of stuff generally goes on, but if that passage is illustrative of Donaghy's writing I'm glad I haven't bothered to waste time on it. He derives the "message" from his personal, restrospective, bias-confirmation review of game film? If there were an actual "message" being sent by the league about how officials were to call games, wouldn't it have been somehow -- you know, actually communicated -- to an official like Donaghy at some point in his 13 year career? If that's all he's got, I call book-selling bullshit.
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isn't Donaghy the Jose Canseco of NBA officiating? i'd say a grain of salt is warranted, but that doesn't mean that superstars don't get sweetheart calls. 

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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

I have no trouble believing that kind of stuff generally goes on, but if that passage is illustrative of Donaghy's writing I'm glad I haven't bothered to waste time on it. He derives the "message" from his personal, restrospective, bias-confirmation review of game film? If there were an actual "message" being sent by the league about how officials were to call games, wouldn't it have been somehow -- you know, actually communicated -- to an official like Donaghy at some point in his 13 year career? If that's all he's got, I call book-selling bullshit.

Definitely not. The league would never communicate a message like that directly and risk being caught rigging games and bias towards their star players.

A couple of years ago Lebron went 6 games without even a single foul being called on him. Book selling bullshit is kinda the same as ticket selling bullshit.
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Kawhi DPOY. It's as easy as picking the mvp this year
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

isn't Donaghy the Jose Canseco of NBA officiating? i'd say a grain of salt is warranted, but that doesn't mean that superstars don't get sweetheart calls. 

Agreed. My only point was that the quote from Donaghy, whose big selling point is supposedly his insider knowledge, adds nothing meaningful to the "issue". His personal credibility aside, he's not actually saying squat that eleventy million internet experts might say: "I personally noticed an imbalance, from which I conclude there's a conspiracy!"
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could be as simple as skilled players accounting for (and playing to) the refs. fwiw i've more or less stopped noticing Lebron carrying the ball like Gronk when he drives

 

you see this happen in mlb as well. i've noticed a tendency for the strike zone to open up for *elite* pitchers. but is it a script handed down from on high or simply a supremely skilled athlete working the officials? btw i adore it when dipshits like papelbon get tossed for showing up Blue (sorry for derail)

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