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kobe's first and last points

man. kobe won't be in the league next year. this feels weird
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

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kobe's first and last points

man. kobe won't be in the league next year. this feels weird

I think it feels great.

And I agree that Duncan is the better player.

More regular season and finals mvps. Point already taken on 50 win seasons and regular season win pctg. Same number of chips.

Sure Kobe has better individual stats but it's a TEAM game.
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If Duncan were so great you wouldn't need to make such half-assed excuses for him.

That's why duncan is always compared to jordan lmao.
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Love this commercial.
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In all honesty, where would you guys rank Kobe in your Top 10 list of all time? Because he doesn't even crack Top 5 for me....
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The argument starts and ends with who you'd rather play with, and it's hands down Duncan.


what a random and arbitrary rule.

 

I'm sure there are some guys who are really run to play with but are shitty basketball players, guess they're up there waiting for the hall of fame to call?

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Its idfml we're talking about he's down there with steve b in terms of iq.
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I have Kobe at 10 or 11
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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

In all honesty, where would you guys rank Kobe in your Top 10 list of all time? Because he doesn't even crack Top 5 for me....

well depends what criteria you use, like peak or prime. Whether it's more important ho good was player at his peak or how long his prime was to be a part of winning franchise and how much you value championships. THis is a very subjective comparison.

i value peak ability a lot and overall ability more than accolades therefore id put olajuwon ahead of Bill Russell and Shaq ahead of Wilt because in my mind they are better basketball players, however hstorical players can only beat those ahead of them. THat being said

bigs; Shaq, Olajuwon, Jabbar, Duncan
forwards; Lebron, Larry,
guards; MJ, Magic.. Kobe

so I guess he would be number 9 since I would take all of these guys ahead of him

probably biggest knock I have on him is that he was on fire he was maybe the best offensive player ever, but he was off he could shoot your team out of the game, so he would be least consistent player on the list and one that contributes least in other categories than scoring. He would also engage and use teammates less than Larry, Lebron or Magic.
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Watched the 30 for 30 last night "This Magic Moment"

If Shaq could've played at an ideal weight and actually developed his skills, he could have challenged Jordan for #1 ever. He was amazing those first couple of years.



Then it really got ugly.

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He probably doesn't crack my top 10, either, but Kobe might be the best 1-on-1 player ever. He had one of the greatest scoring seasons ever (35 ppg, which is 4th behind Wilt's 50 ppg, MJ's 37 ppg, and Rick Barry's 35.5 ppg). Obviously it's a team game and he probably could have had more rings had he been more willing to defer to his teammates, but it can also be argued that he single-handedly won a lot of important games for the Lakers.

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Shaq's wieght was never the issue his lack reliable FT shooting was, even when was a fat it didn't impact his game that much. Imagine Shaq at 70-80% FT- he would be GOAT. He was not amazing for couple of years but for over a decade. His best came in LAL. 2000-2001 period. His performance in finals and playoffs was so dominant, it was amazing to watch.
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Shaq's wieght was never the issue his lack reliable FT shooting was, even when was a fat it didn't impact his game that much. Imagine Shaq at 70-80% FT- he would be GOAT. He was not amazing for couple of years but for over a decade. His best came in LAL. 2000-2001 period. His performance in finals and playoffs was so dominant, it was amazing to watch.

Watch the 30 for 30 and see how quick and agile he was in ORL at that size. He was a completely different player during the LAL years, sure he was dominant but his frame changed and with that he lost much of what made him special. I didn't find those LA years amazing, I just saw a guy that was so much bigger than everyone else bully his way to the basket over and over with the same 3 moves.

Had Shaq maintained his weight and developed his skills, he could have eclipsed Hakeem. Shaq isn't even in my top 5 for centers.
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I've watched so many Shaq games I dont need to watch 30 fpr 30. Shaq was greatly skilled player - footwork, half hook, spinmoves, shooting touch around the basket, great hands, great passer + physical gifts. Shaq didn't need to develop midrange and dribbling like Hakeem because it would be largely redundant - he was unstoppable 1on1 because of his strength, coupled with amazing agility.

True he didn't have a million of moves, he had few of them that worked everytime- he had great skill set but only up to 10-12ft away from the basket.. He was not as pretty as Hakeem, but as just as effective. I have both of them basically tied as GOAT centers.
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Is Kobe the greatest Laker ever? Objectively, he's got the numbers. But when I close my eyes and think of the Lakers, I see Magic leading a three-on-one fast break ending with a no-look pass to Worthy or Scott for an easy basket. I grew up watching the Showtime Lakers, so I'm biased.
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