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I am not missing the point, a 23 year old Holiday that is still has a good ceiling to reach is a good player to keep and a good player for your future than Noel or whoever the hell is in this draft. You keep saying what if they get Parker or Wiggins but what if they don't? Then your premise is fucked. What if they draw a 10th pick next year? Or as you said, make the playoffs because the lower end of the Eastern conference is pretty damn weak. Boston just blew up and got weaker too. Then what? And Noel is even more risky with that injury, plain and simple. Bynum hasn't recovered from it, it pretty much killed Odens career and Rose hasn't even returned from it.
And no, there is no quality into the 20s in this draft. Get the hell out of here with that ****. Again, come back at the end of this year if these top 20-30 drafts makes a difference and create an in their teams I bow to your brilliance but get the hell out here with that crap. I don't even think 2003 drafts improved 15 teams in the league and that is one of the most loaded drafts in history. Lebron, Wade, Melo, Bosh, Kaman, etc...
I would not be surprise if 10 of the top 20, hell even 15 of the top 30 are out of the league or just in the end of the bench within 2-3 years.
at you saying 15 teams will improve in this draft. get real. 15 teams is half of the league, the bottom feeders are all of a sudden going to be contenders or make the playoffs?
Again, everything is a toss up,
i've always thought the nba overvalued draft picks. given the rate at which even first round choices fail to deliver, i'd much rather take even a second-tier veteran.
Do you think this new wave of analytics will buck that trend? I feel like in the past it was far more subjective and a pure crap shoot. Now teams have some tangible performance evidence that will make draft order a better reflection of future nba success
I am obviously exagerating it but you are saying these 29 players are going to make improvements in their teams but really improvement w/o winning is subjective. Sure one player could run faster or defend better so the team is better but if they still lose and end up with the same record in the 20 minutes he played by averaging 5 points and 3 rebounds, then your value to being drafted at 10th pick is worthless. You can probably find a guy in the DLeague that can give you the same thing but that is not what these teams are looking for.
I mean look at your ridiculous claims, the 15 teams will improve with this draft? pick 20-29 can contribute and play 20-25 minutes? That is a lot of playing time and the teams that drafted 20-29 like the Bulls, Pacers, Knicks, Nuggets, Thunder, Clippers, Spurs, etc... they aren't going to get that much playing time and chances are, they are D-League bound. You really think they can break through these loaded teams? On the first year nonetheless? You are insane to say these is no luck needed for these guys to breakout because they are all that good.
And you are crazy for ignoring how good Jrue is and his ceiling potential, Noel is already a high risk player, there is a reason dude went 5th. No matter what you say, Jrue is the safer choice and you already have a name there. Yeah the league is full of "what ifs" but what is sure and a FACT is Jrue is an AllStar and a very good player. Noel could still miss the whole season next year, there is a huge possibility of that and even then, dude played what, half a college season? This dude could flop big time. Another FACT, Sixers are stupid with these risks. See how Bynum panned out? Exactly. They took that dumb risk and ended up with practically nothing. They are doing the same thing here and really, Noel is someone I see as being mediocre at best at this point. We won't know until he steps on the court but you have too much **** riding on him. Rebuilding a team hoping they get 2 good picks next year and that is why you traded your star player? That is a bad move and really, nothing but a championship or a Conference Finals appearance in the next 10 years involving those same players can prove me wrong.
This draft isn't as good as you are saying, just got to face that fact. Save this page and throw it in my face a year from now if I am wrong but there might be one Lillard-type of breakouts, maybe another semi-decent rookie but that is the most I would expect from this draft class. It isn't strong if tehy slightly improve a team w/o showing any results. I don't need to take that **** literally but if a player averages 12-14 pts a game but has the same wins, that isn't improving the team. If a player plays 20-25 minutes a game but the team only improved by one game, that isn't improving the team. And trust me, next year I am not even going to remember this discussion and who I am discussing it with so bookmark it and shove it down my throat if I were wrong, I'd admit it if I were wrong. Hell I really hope I am proven wrong and that there is a clear cut star that emerges from this draft but your claims for the whole draft class is simply insane (improving 15 teams no luck needed because these players are so that talented that there won't be a surprise breakout ). Prove to me those giant claims and you'll get a sincere and honest apology.
i've always thought the nba overvalued draft picks. given the rate at which even first round choices fail to deliver, i'd much rather take even a second-tier veteran.
In what way are they better though? I mean all you are saying is that if they get 20-25 minutes but chances are, these guys aren't going to be good enough to crack those kind of minutes because they were drafted by teams with deep rosters. I can see this in the top 10 getting some grind but those above that, not so much.2. Many teams got better because of this draft. If better to you means going from the basement to the Conference Finals, then yes, this draft sucked.
I really just do not think so, I really don't. Again, cracking that line-up will be tough in deeper teams. If the other draftees from the past year couldn't do it, I have no reason to believe this years draft is any different. Look at last year for example, start at #11-#29, how many of those players are relevant or actually improved their team (significant improvement)? I honestly annot think of any of those players from 11-29 that has helped improved the team and you are claiming 15 teams will improve in this draft?3. There was value low in the draft. Will every player from 20-29 be an All Star? No, but there will be more guys in that group playing substantive NBA basketball than anyone is thinking right now.
Still the safer bet at this moment, right now and they traded a possible disaster in Noel. Point is, Jrue's value is much higher than Noel. Jrue is already an AllStar, Noel might never be w/ that injury. If he did not have that injury, I'd be more inclined to agree with you that it is a good trade but getting an already injured guy and in hopes to acquire two good drafts next year, who can also be very risky (uncertainty of draft #) is just not looking good. It's a big risk and unknown reward to be honest because I do not even see Noel being that great center. Is a possible 15/8 guy (at his peak?) worth Jrue? Philly and you think so, I don't.4. As to your bolded, thats rather silly as I can turn it around and say if Jrue does not take the Pelicans to the Finals in the next 10 years, he is a big washout.