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post #24901 of 27236
what are people's thoughts on Steph as an all time great?

could it be perfect timing in terms of teammates and offensive system? is he that much better now than his first few years in the league?
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Originally Posted by Akeem View Post

what are people's thoughts on Steph as an all time great?

could it be perfect timing in terms of teammates and offensive system? is he that much better now than his first few years in the league?

if you look at Steve Nash's prime you can certainly see how its possible that Steph's current run is up there (because they're close/compatible in skills and stats/game), because he's pairing the elite play with championship runs. If he keeps it up for a couple more years then he'll have had 5 years of elite production. Plus maybe one more chip, sure he's up there.

his game is so unique though.... so naysayers will want to pigeon hole his position say that having magic johnson, or isiah thomas is a better option as an all time great team for point guard.

everyone loves to wax poetic about 90's NBA, but the thing is there was never really a foe for Jordan's Bulls (probably the houston rockets but they sadly never faced off against each other in a finals). Jordan may have never lost in the finals, but he did loose in the easter conference (losing to the celtics, pistons, and even to shaq era Magic). I was in HS and College in the 90's and remember a lot of those 80, 70, hell there were a lot of 60 pt final score games and it just wasn't that fun to watch.
post #24903 of 27236
Really wish Westbrook would have a chip by now. I'd pick him over Steph as far as point guards tbh. CP3 in the conversation too.
post #24904 of 27236
If Steph wins the MVP (seems like a foregone conclusion at this point) then he's already an all time great as a back to back mvp. Look at the list of who's been able to achieve that...you could even put him ahead of Steve Nash already because he's got the chip that Nash doesn't.

This is before anything else he ends up doing in his career (more rings and mvp's, records broken, international comp) and the fact that he's completely evolved the position
post #24905 of 27236
i haven't made up my mind yet on curry. i don't really see steph as a true point guard. he is more of a hybrid pg with ridiculous range. he is unquestionably one of the best shooters to ever play. but draymond green does a lot of playmaking for that team. heck, the whole team is pretty unselfish. they don't take many hero ball shots.

westbrook has all the physical tools and puts up huge numbers, but something is off with his decision making. he often takes bad shots and gambles too much on defense. i can't see him winning a title without some improvement in those areas unless KD comes out blazing during the playoffs.
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Originally Posted by Akeem View Post

i haven't made up my mind yet on curry. i don't really see steph as a true point guard. he is more of a hybrid pg with ridiculous range. he is unquestionably one of the best shooters to ever play. but draymond green does a lot of playmaking for that team. heck, the whole team is pretty unselfish. they don't take many hero ball shots.

westbrook has all the physical tools and puts up huge numbers, but something is off with his decision making. he often takes bad shots and gambles too much on defense. i can't see him winning a title without some improvement in those areas unless KD comes out blazing during the playoffs.

lolwut?

God, are we back to the "true point guard" thing? If you're playing fantasy sports, it can matter a lot which positional "slot" a great player fits in. Real life, not so much.

Do "true point guards" shoot hook shots over Kevin McHale in the paint?

https://youtu.be/x6NGUpm4LHE
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I don't know if Akeem's comment is directed at the all time great argument, but if it is, I promise that his being a 'hybrid' will not be an obstacle in his eventual HOF conversation.

As to the larger conversation, it's hard to think of a lot of PG in history that's had the same impact statistically and on his team's record than Curry has the last two regular season. For an entire career, it's really only West, Robertson and Isaiah. Magic too because although he scored less, he was a better rebounder and more versatile. For a short period of time? Hmm...Derrick Rose's MVP season. Maybe Kevin Johnson and Gary Payton had statistical runs + win records to rival Curry, I can't remember.
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I don't know if Akeem's comment is directed at the all time great argument, but if it is, I promise that his being a 'hybrid' will not be an obstacle in his eventual HOF conversation.

As to the larger conversation, it's hard to think of a lot of PG in history that's had the same impact statistically and on his team's record than Curry has the last two regular season. For an entire career, it's really only West, Robertson and Isaiah. Magic too because although he scored less, he was a better rebounder and more versatile. For a short period of time? Hmm...Derrick Rose's MVP season. Maybe Kevin Johnson and Gary Payton had statistical runs + win records to rival Curry, I can't remember.

Smush!!
post #24909 of 27236

The positions are really guidelines to me. Yeah you probably want your tallest player as a C to be in the post using his height for some easy buckets and patrolling the paint instead of running  around on the perimeter. But when you get a C who actually helps the team more when he's outside? That's not a problem to me. You probably want your smallest player handling the ball away from traffic as the PG, but if his strength is his long range jumper I'm not against him playing along the 3 point line.

 

I mean if you hypothetically had a 7 footer who could make half court 3s with ease and literally intercept every inbounds pass are you going to tell him to just sit in the paint all day to be a 'true C'?

 

I'm not even a Warriors fan - I prefer the Spurs and hope they win. I guess I'm a little uncomfortable watching the Warriors with their style (I also rooted for the Spurs against the Steve Nash Suns too) and I just like the methodical approach of the Spurs more. But it's kind of ridiculous to hear that Curry hasn't been amazing this season and if he keeps it up (which looks entirely possible) be one of the greatest basketball players of all time.

post #24910 of 27236
i brought up the question more to see where people think curry will eventually rank in the pantheon of greats. it's no question he'll be an all time great and a HOFer. But just 3 years ago, he wasn't even considered the best PG in his conference let alone the best player in the league. if cp3 and curry came out in the same draft, who would you take to start a team? i don't think it would be a unanimous decision even though curry has won an mvp and title.
post #24911 of 27236
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Originally Posted by Akeem View Post

i brought up the question more to see where people think curry will eventually rank in the pantheon of greats. it's no question he'll be an all time great and a HOFer. But just 3 years ago, he wasn't even considered the best PG in his conference let alone the best player in the league. if cp3 and curry came out in the same draft, who would you take to start a team? i don't think it would be a unanimous decision even though curry has won an mvp and title.
Totally fair point.
post #24912 of 27236
If your point is, no one saw Steph as someone who was going to be the best PG in the league during his first 3 years, then I wholeheartedly agree. Well, maybe Dell would disagree.

If it's - let's see him demonstrate this level of excellence for more years, then that's a fair point too. But I would seriously doubt that he can't sustain this level of excellence through his prime, barring injury
post #24913 of 27236
It's hilarious the comparisons to kobe and jordan and other irrelevant stats people post on instagram but these are the same people who were born in 1999. Steph's been notably good for what 2 or 3 years? lol8[1].gif
post #24914 of 27236

Oh lord.  What a choke job by Warriors to let a 17-point lead slip away against T-wolves in Oracle Arena.  I hope Spurs play full strength to really test them for a 72/73 win season.

post #24915 of 27236
Fuck that shit. Dubs need to get their head right . . . most of their loses have been against shit teams. Not a good look.
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