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post #24856 of 27206
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Originally Posted by ballmouse View Post

Yeah, I guess you can count layups too. I was just thinking that most baskets near the basket (outside of dunks) are more like putbacks or tip ins which aren't that easy as they require rebounding. And even if they aren't off rebounds they require positioning. And most of the real layups I see would be considered pretty hard as there are defenders in the way that require some sort of maneuvering. When there aren't defenders, I just see most players dunking.

Agreed. But they're dunking because it's considered cooler. Turning an uncontested layup into a dunk is (in most cases) to make it slightly more difficult.
post #24857 of 27206
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

It's funny, this happens so infrequently that it apparently didn't even occur to you -- but a straightforward layup is easier than dunking or shooting free throws.
These days, I have trouble with all three.
post #24858 of 27206
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Originally Posted by ballmouse View Post
 

But I am also saying that a FT weakness is one of the easiest problems in basketball to solve. I don't think anyone is going to disagree there.

 

Actually, I'll disagree. I used to think the same way and we had this discussion before in this thread, but the stats just don't back it up. Here's an old post by Brothersport:

 

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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

you guys keep talkin bout ft% like it's so easy to fix and there just isn't very much evidence to support that. if, like ed, you're only talking about them trying underhand shots, that might or might not work, but otherwise it's not something that people can generally just improve on w/ practice.

These are supposedly the only players who have had a 10% increase in history (via):
 

Plus they obviously do work on it, all the time (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-clippers-deandre-jordan-free-throws-20141016-story.html), but that doesn't always manifest on the court. It's obviously a mental thing as well. Remember when the Lakers showed practice ft% and Dwight hit >80%?
 
post #24859 of 27206

So youre saying

 

-free throws are hard to improve --> we should change it for the 5 people who suck at it?

 

Like lawyer said above, if someone sucks at defense (maybe they aren't laterally quick - almost impossible to fix) can his team get a rule passed to change it to make it easier on them?

post #24860 of 27206

I'm not arguing for any rule changes one way or the other. I'm just saying that improving FT% is harder than most people think.

post #24861 of 27206
How about something like penalty kicks? Give the victim the ball in the paint, put either fouler or the opposing center in there with him, and give him 5 seconds and one opportunity.

I haven't worked out what to do if the victim gets fouled again, but I think this would be a lot more fun than free throws
post #24862 of 27206
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

How about something like penalty kicks? Give the victim the ball in the paint, put either fouler or the opposing center in there with him, and give him 5 seconds and one opportunity.

I haven't worked out what to do if the victim gets fouled again, but I think this would be a lot more fun than free throws

this would be great TV. especially if it was a hard foul.

post #24863 of 27206
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

So youre saying

-free throws are hard to improve --> we should change it for the 5 people who suck at it?

Like lawyer said above, if someone sucks at defense (maybe they aren't laterally quick - almost impossible to fix) can his team get a rule passed to change it to make it easier on them?

I think the argument for a rule change is to improve the pace of the game, not to assist 5 nutknockers in avoiding free throws with intentional fouls.
post #24864 of 27206
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post


I think the argument for a rule change is to improve the pace of the game, not to assist 5 nutknockers in avoiding free throws with intentional fouls.

Pace of the game? Stop going to TV timeout after every foul and out of bounds play in the fourth quarter.

 

problem solved.

post #24865 of 27206
No stoppages at all. Line changes like hockey.
post #24866 of 27206
Totally inexcusable and deserving of multi-game suspension.

That said, my instinctive response to the referees' union calling it a "deliberate assault and battery" is "STFU you pussies."

http://kentucky.247sports.com/Bolt/Rockets-rookie-Montrezl-Harrell-pushes-referee-44537571
post #24867 of 27206

Wizards fan watching his team lead the Warriors by 9 in the second quarter; thought process: it'd be nice to get a win and break the home court streak for the Warriors (hey, Durant, look at us, we have potential!), plus it'd (barely) keep us in the playoffs race.

 

On the other hand, if we lose we're almost certain to miss the playoffs and get a new coach, and maybe even a new GM. Hmmmm...

 

Go Warriors!

post #24868 of 27206

Man, if (when?) the NBA changes the rules to prevent hack-a stuff, GMs who didn't draft/sign DJ, Drummond, Howard are going to be pissed--their weakness at the line contributed to their contracts and their draft positions, and taking that out of the equation will instantly render their contracts far better values--and by executive fiat, no less. Fuck that shit, if you want one of those guys on your team you should have to take the good with the bad and either watch them brick FTs or sit them when the game is on the line.

post #24869 of 27206
LOL we have to forward this thread to Adam Silver


I'm sure he'll get a kick out of HROI's alternative to free throws. An on the spot one-on-one! lol8[1].gif
post #24870 of 27206
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post


I haven't worked out what to do if the victim gets fouled again, but I think this would be a lot more fun than free throws

That part's easy. There are no fouls. You wanted to commit an intentional foul? Have at it. Five seconds to score, schoolyard/cage match style. And make it worth four points if you score, or two points to the defending team if you don't.
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