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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread - Page 1608post #24106 of 2758212/10/15 at 6:30ampost #24107 of 2758212/10/15 at 6:52am
At least Philadelphia has a plan, and they're sticking with it. Most other terrible franchises/GMs/owners literally had no plan. As soon as they have money in FA, they just spend it on someone (Detroit signing Josh Smith is the most recent one off the top of my head, but there's been too many overpaid, horrible FA signings to count). They trade for a player and instead of then building a team around that player just plug in existing pieces and hope it all works out. If they have a mediocre cast of players that has no chance of winning a championship, they still keep them together instead of shipping out talented misfit players for talented players who will fit the team.
Only San Antonio really has a great plan. They only target certain players (FA and draft) because they have a certain system. That might change as Duncan and Ginobili retire, but hopefully Leonard and Aldridge can be the new building blocks.
Others in progress but not fully defined are Atlanta, Golden State, Detroit, New York Knicks, Dallas, and Philadelphia (off the top of my head). Atlanta, Golden State, and Philadelphia are coached by ex-San Antonio staff who were relatively new hires. Carlisle runs his system, although I think Cuban sometimes just chases random FAs and trades and his drafts never seem to make sense. Van Gundy also has his system and he has GM control, but he hasn't been there long yet. Jackson and Fisher are trying to define the style of play but it seems like they are going to commit to getting players that fit.
All other teams just seem like they are lucky in getting talented players but they don't have any vision yet (Minnesota, Cleveland, Sacramento, Houston, Miami, etc.)post #24108 of 2758212/10/15 at 7:02amI'm sure that tank proponents will point out that if Philly had better draft scouting, it would have been far more successful. I find it hilarious that of all the draft picks of the last five years, the best one so far actually plays for the Magic (Nikola Vucevic)
And maybe more ping pong ball luck. They didn't get the top pick in all those years
But whatever. It doesn't matter what the reason is for tanking strategies failing - as long as they dopost #24109 of 2758212/10/15 at 8:44amI'm not sure any of this stuff lends itself to "a plan". This kind of reminds me when politicians answer every question with "I have a plan for that", which is a red flag for bullshit like when they say the words "the american people".
Seems like it's more about a philosophy and making good decisions in the moment than some long term vision. If someone can point me to the plans of the teams listed above, I'm sure I'd find them interesting reading.
Mostly, I think it's just simple luck with a guy falling in the right place at the right time.post #24110 of 2758212/10/15 at 10:27amQuote:
This. We are only 3+ years removed from Golden State fans booing the owner during a Chris Mullin jersey retirement. They had a "plan" but really lucked out on picks and pieces falling into place (and steph maturing)post #24111 of 2758212/10/15 at 10:30ampost #24112 of 2758212/10/15 at 10:37ampost #24113 of 2758212/10/15 at 10:37ampost #24114 of 2758212/10/15 at 10:46ampost #24115 of 2758212/10/15 at 10:49ampost #24116 of 2758212/10/15 at 1:00pmpost #24117 of 2758212/10/15 at 3:18pmQuote:
I was at Wooden that night and went in for the 2nd half… well that was unexpected!
Russell had a great game for the Lakers last night… even thought they still ended up losing by 1 point... ugh.post #24118 of 2758212/10/15 at 3:53pmpost #24119 of 2758212/10/15 at 4:52pmQuote:
I dunno what I was thinking when I wrote that. My other two examples are still pretty good I think? Conley more so than Lowry.post #24120 of 2758212/10/15 at 7:56pmQuote:this is a fine fine postOriginally Posted by HRoi
I like watching good hoops, so I'm a detractor of this blatant tanking. Imagine a league (or any major business) where the bottom third was obsessed with putting the shittiest product possible on the market in the short term?
(Well ok, you can do it if you relegate that bottom third to a B league. But that's another topic)
Philly is a top 5 media market too. I'm sure the pressure on the Sixers ownership group was immense from the commissioners' office and the other owners. It's not just a black mark on the league but foregone revenue for everyone through profit sharing.
I don't really fault Hinkie - he found his best chance of success that the system allowed. But the system is broken for incenting him to behave in this manner. And I am happy to see the Sixers fail because it won't create more incentive for this bullshitQuote:yea they haven't been great at drafting, but they haven't been bad either, probably around average.Originally Posted by HRoi
I'm sure that tank proponents will point out that if Philly had better draft scouting, it would have been far more successful. I find it hilarious that of all the draft picks of the last five years, the best one so far actually plays for the Magic (Nikola Vucevic)
And maybe more ping pong ball luck. They didn't get the top pick in all those years
But whatever. It doesn't matter what the reason is for tanking strategies failing - as long as they do
honestly philly plays abysmally on offense but they try super hard, and their ineptitude is overblown because hinkie is such a figure of contention. they haven't even had the worst record in the league either of hinkie's 2 years in charge. if all their players weren't injured this year they would have won 1 or 2 games and there wouldn't be such ridiculous pressure on them to win now. like would you rather root for philly, who has a smart gm and a plan to intentionally be trash for 3-4 years and maybe make something special out of it, or the kings, who always try to win immediately and make retarded moves and literally haven't cleared 30 wins since fucking 07-08?
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