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brian windhorst is a pompous douchebag only instead of douching fluid it's mostly filled with hot air
post #23852 of 27236
dunno about rose but i've slowly come around on windhorst. i generally dislike his reporting now and don't really trust him; i think he sensationalizes a lot of things.

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brian windhorst is a pompous douchebag only instead of douching fluid it's mostly filled with hot air
bahahahhaha

yall crazy about the clippers bench. pierce is a legit addition sure, but crawford still unreliable/below average against a very good team esp in a playoff situation, rivers is still not a good basketball player (i say this as a dukie who will never forget his shot in the dean dome), josh smith is unreliable and whimsical. wes johnson is a decent-good backup but i don't think he's an improvement on matt barnes. cole aldrich is just a guy.

it definitely is an improvement on last year's group tho. but they're still gonna be a net negative against good teams, as they were against the warriors. and now they have no backup center. their tallest legit bench player is josh smith, who's 6'8.
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I have a feeling you didn't see last nights game with those comments.

Ye,s JSmoove is only 6'8" but the Dubs were playing Green as a center so it worked. Keep in mind that I did say they need a legit back up for Deandre but in most cases, teams are playing small and Griffin is strong enough to play center if need be. Jordan is still going to take up the bulk of minutes in the position anyways.

Wes and JSmoove also got the Clips the 9-point lead with both their defense and scoring behind the arc. Not to mention that Rivers was more effective on the line-up than CP3 last night, this isn't going to be always the case but when the team needs to run more, he seems to fit better.

Speaking of Wes Johnson, no he isn't an improvement on Barnes but he isn't replacing Barnes, more like Hedo.

And JCrossover below average? Come on now, dude is the only saving grace for the Clips behind the starters and since he was the only option they just defended the hell out of him, there's more option now and dude could still score.

Their bench is actually doing very well so far, they can actually score now. lol8[1].gif
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doris is fine, she certainly isnt worse than any other studio person. besides who sits around watching nba studio pregame shit anyway

nigga please youve been there sitting alone, alongside your inflated sense of nba knowledge you lowe post wannabe, nba whore you
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I have a feeling you didn't see last nights game with those comments.
im sure some of the things you said are spot on but the bench was terrible in the 1st half and a significant net negative overall.



and i was thinking bench overall in the playoffs, not just against the warriors, who have a very unique roster.

like i said, the bench is a lot better than last year but that doesn't mean it's really good. and crawford is a fun regular season player but he's older now and he's consistently been worse in the playoffs than in the reg season. prob cuz teams pay more attention to him and can lock him down more. and he's obv giving you zilch on the defensive side
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nigga please youve been there sitting alone, alongside your inflated sense of nba knowledge you lowe post wannabe, nba whore you
i sit at home and beat off to nba gameplay not the studio shit fam

tbqh i havent watched doris burke in studio but i've seen her do color a few times and thought it was perfectly fine.
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Yah those stats were misleading because at one point the Clips were down by 17 and the bench erased it and got them a 9 point lead.

The changed shots, the hustle and energy and the tempo of the game aren't accounted for. And as you can see, Wes and JSmoove only had 10-12 minutes of game time each. CP3 was also -2 but did that really take into account the foul trouble he had so he played less minutes? Kind of a serious question because I don't think they do but I could be wrong.

Also the thing to consider it that the bench just has to be better than last year, not great. IIRC the Clips starters were the #1 or #2 offensive team last year, which overall has carried the whole team as the #1 offensive team in last year. I could be a bit off though, it's been a long summer. So being the best starting 5 offensively, improving on the bench even the slightest is still a HUGE improvement. They definitely looked great last night against the best team in the league right now who was blowing everyone away.

In the end though I don't think anyone thinks they are the best, they definitely look deep because of the names but I still think they are one piece away from making it out of the west.
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I'd agree the Clips have a good bench. The main West contenders seem pretty stacked - OKC, GSW and of course San Antonio. Of all those teams though, OKC stands out as the one team that is still screwed if one of their top 2 players goes down, regardless of bench quality
post #23858 of 27236
Waiting for JSmoove/Blake/CP3/DeAndre/Stevenson combo to implode
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CP3 seems like he might be one of the worst teammates ever, but I have never read anything about his teammates calling him out or refusing to get on the same page as him. He's like the president Snow of the NBA
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CP3 seems like he might be one of the worst teammates ever, but I have never read anything about his teammates calling him out or refusing to get on the same page as him. He's like the president Snow of the NBA

It's the curse of smart people, you're constantly noticing how stupid most people are and it grates on you as you age. Paul is a dick, at least part of it comes down to this. To me he's unwatchable as a player because of his antics.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Yah those stats were misleading because at one point the Clips were down by 17 and the bench erased it and got them a 9 point lead.

The changed shots, the hustle and energy and the tempo of the game aren't accounted for. And as you can see, Wes and JSmoove only had 10-12 minutes of game time each. CP3 was also -2 but did that really take into account the foul trouble he had so he played less minutes? Kind of a serious question because I don't think they do but I could be wrong.

Also the thing to consider it that the bench just has to be better than last year, not great. IIRC the Clips starters were the #1 or #2 offensive team last year, which overall has carried the whole team as the #1 offensive team in last year. I could be a bit off though, it's been a long summer. So being the best starting 5 offensively, improving on the bench even the slightest is still a HUGE improvement. They definitely looked great last night against the best team in the league right now who was blowing everyone away.

In the end though I don't think anyone thinks they are the best, they definitely look deep because of the names but I still think they are one piece away from making it out of the west.

yea i agree w/ your overall picture

but dude the reason they were down by 17 in the 1st place (7:56 left in the 2nd) was cuz they were playing rivers pierce crawford josh smith and wes johnson that's what im tryna say. the bench was essentially a -19 in the 2nd quarter. the starters got them to w/in 7 by halftime, and 3/5 starters helped tie it up in the 3rd. the bench got them a lead later but it's incorrect to remember that lead but not them hemorrhaging points in the 2nd q.

i dont know what you mean by the intangible stuff that's not accounted for. when the bench was on the floor the team scored fewer points than the warriors, that's the point of +/-. it's certainly fluky when you only look at one game but they flat out weren't that impressive for the full game, they were really bad in the 1st half and pretty good in the 2nd. the fact that west and smith were -12 in 10-12 min means they contributed to the team playing REALLY BADLY in those 10-12 minutes. when cp3 was on the court for his 31 minutes, the clips scored 2 fewer pts than the warriors, that's what that means. it has nothing to do w/ foul trouble or anything.
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I am not forgetting how bad they were in the first half but I do remember that the bench last year wouldn't recover and help like they did last night and the starters were stuck doing it all by themselves the rest of the game. And again against the best team in the league who many believes is the deepest team and was killing everyone. That's huge accomplishment even in a loss.

Well the intangibles are like you said takes the account for the whole game. -19 in the first half but I assume much better in the second? I also assume the -12 for JSmoove and Wes are mostly on the first half? I mean in the end doesn't it matter more how they finished? And I felt the bench finished pretty damn strong. Are there any +/- stats for the halfs? Too lazy to look.

And I think you latched on too much to some saying the team is good and deep (as I said, mostly by name, they still have to fit together) to saying that they were great. Now I haven't looked at the stats but they have said (commentators) that so far the bench was simply much better in the first few games just in terms of scoring alone. Also curious if you could find a stat for the bench average score last year and what they are averaging this year so far? I know it's still a small share for stats this year.
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It's the curse of smart people, you're constantly noticing how stupid most people are and it grates on you as you age.

Preach brotha!
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CP3 seems like he might be one of the worst teammates ever, but I have never read anything about his teammates calling him out or refusing to get on the same page as him. He's like the president Snow of the NBA


I think he is pretty savvy with people and great with socializing, there was a report that he didn't get along with Jordan and that was part of the reason he wanted to leave but then CP3 manages to go see him at his home and talked into staying.

He is probably like Kobe but with some social skills. CP3 is notorious for being an asshole to go against but then he'll be like your best friend off-court.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

I think he is pretty savvy with people and great with socializing, there was a report that he didn't get along with Jordan and that was part of the reason he wanted to leave but then CP3 manages to go see him at his home and talked into staying.

He is probably like Kobe but with some social skills. CP3 is notorious for being an asshole to go against but then he'll be like your best friend off-court.


Evidenced by that lovely photo of him, Lebron, and Wade riding that banana boat. Professional sports offers a window into a person's worst traits. I'm sure Paul doesn't try and draw a foul when he's brushed by a tourist walking on the street. But it's his nature to be a dick. Doesn't mean he can't also be personable.
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