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post #23416 of 27236
lol8[1].gif they should do that for this year

enes kanter the albatross contract for the ages


<3 the team mate interviews at the end
Edited by indesertum - 7/13/15 at 11:30pm
post #23417 of 27236
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enes kanter the albatross contract for the ages

I'm going to enjoy this contract and the "you gotta overpay" crowd. The funniest part is they let Harden go over less money. From a pretty tight fisted organization like OKC, it's an astonishing piece of bad business. He *might* have been worth 7m a year on a good day.
post #23418 of 27236
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The ginger ring leader is totally the ginger kid from true detective season two who had his lebrons stolen.
post #23419 of 27236

So yeah, about the Sixers...from the latest Zach Lowe article:

 

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The Sixers...don’t appear interested in any team-building path they can’t control almost completely. They haven’t traded for any veterans they see as part of the long-term picture, and for the third straight summer, they sat out free agency. Several executives gathered in Vegas for summer league have asked a version of the same question: “When will the Sixers rejoin the NBA?”

That question took on renewed urgency when news broke that Embiid will miss another full season. Philly’s best hope of a transformational superstar might be the next Greg Oden, and people have wondered, “The draft is no guarantee; do Philly’s owners really have the stomach to just keep doing this?”

They just might...The team has been profitable during this extended downturn, per league documents obtained by Grantland; Philly pays no money into the league’s revenue-sharing system and receives the same luxury tax distribution as every other team that comes in below the tax line. The value of the franchise has at least tripled since Josh Harris and his private equity partners purchased the team in 2011.

And the main point of Philly’s unprecedented strategy is that it can absorb a blow exactly like Embiid’s foot injury. If your owners are only willing to punt on two seasons, you are at the mercy of lottery balls and injury luck. Blow one draft, or fall from no. 1 to no. 4 in the Anthony Davis lottery, and the teardown gives way to panicked spending toward mediocrity.

If Philly is really willing to do this for five, six, or seven seasons, it almost cannot fail. It will either land a superstar or draft so many good players that they will gather a solid NBA team. Brett Brown may check himself into an asylum before then, but if you keep getting lottery picks, you will eventually succeed. Even when Philly was on the clock at no. 3, it was on the phone with teams in the lower half of the lottery, working to secure another high pick, according to league sources.

Philly needs to nail the draft, because big-time free agents don’t appear willing to consider the Sixers until they start winning a respectable number of games. Some agents have even called around to other teams, trying to ignite trade talks that would get their players out of Philadelphia, according to several league sources.

The free-agency route is likely closed to them for now, and they just aren’t good enough to flip their massive pile of trade assets for a star with only one or even two years left on his contract. Why would that guy stay?

Philly’s owners know this, which is why they trust a process they can shape more than “normal” teams like Phoenix will ever be able to shape free agency or the trade market. But you can only do that if the owners let you.

Honestly, I had no idea the team has remained profitable through all these bad seasons. If that's the case, then they can just do this for a while longer like Donald Sterling's 90's-era Clippers.

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So yeah, about the Sixers...from the latest Zach Lowe article:

Honestly, I had no idea the team has remained profitable through all these bad seasons. If that's the case, then they can just do this for a while longer like Donald Sterling's 90's-era Clippers.



You can lose all your games and probably still make money because of the distribution of revenues.

The thing I don't get about this situation is how they think all these kids are going to stick around. Either they'll be unable to afford them all, or they have to count on revolving doors of new kids to replace them and actually stay. They can negotiate extensions exclusively, so I suppose that's an incentive for a rookie contract to stick around, but they'll quickly exceed the cap with just Embied, Noel and Okaful if all of them pan out. Any beyond those 3 the rest of the roster is shit. How are you going to fill all those holes thru a draft?

There just seem to be stashed assets without much of a direction for success. This looks like a failed experiment, and while many may say it's too early to tell, I think it's obvious. Losing Embied for another season just shows you the perils of playing the game this way.
post #23421 of 27236

Isn't it a good problem to have multiple, young All-Stars still on rookie deals/extensions?

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Isn't it a good problem to have multiple, young All-Stars still on rookie deals/extensions?

Even if you can hardly win a game?
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Isn't it a good problem to have multiple, young All-Stars still on rookie deals/extensions?

Yeah, I think the logic of the Lowe article is that if you can keep that status quo going (even if there's rolling turnover), then when you eventually do hit the jackpot with one of those draft picks being an out-of-the-gate franchise player you're well situated to lock in the other pieces around him.
post #23424 of 27236
The real point of the article is that the owners are an investment firm and their investment is making money. Period. Winning and competitive basketball don't enter into the conversation.
post #23425 of 27236
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The real point of the article is that the owners are an investment firm and their investment is making money. Period. Winning and competitive basketball don't enter into the conversation.

I don't believe Apollo actually owns the Sixers. It's just a group of people led by Joshua Harris, a co-founder of Apollo. Your point still stands, though.

post #23426 of 27236
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The real point of the article is that the owners are an investment firm and their investment is making money. Period. Winning and competitive basketball don't enter into the conversation.

Mark Cuban doesn't seem like that kind of owner, as don't a few others but by and large, the league is not structured so that success on the court necessarily means more profitability. It seems more about your market and success at collective bargaining.
post #23427 of 27236
^ Is he the type of owner who drives around Houston like a madman looking for DJ's mom's house? LOL happy.gif
post #23428 of 27236
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The real point of the article is that the owners are an investment firm and their investment is making money. Period. Winning and competitive basketball don't enter into the conversation.
Well, yes and no. I largely agree with what you're saying. But at some point winning and competitive basketball do factor into it, if only because of the risk of erosion of fan support. It might not be the primary driver, but neither is it irrelevant.
And while the financial point may be what you see as the main take-away of the article, I'd disagree that was the whole point. If it were, there'd be no point in discussing draft picks, the ability to "absorb" losing seasons when you have an Embiid injury, etc.
post #23429 of 27236
Fans will come once philly starts winning. Warriors also had pretty empty stands until last year
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Fans will come once philly starts winning. Warriors also had pretty empty stands until last year

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