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post #22921 of 27236
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Couldn't agree more.
Nice soundbite, but Lebron didn't average a triple double versus SA. Different circumstances, GSW had 1 player to stop and couldn't. They rewarded a cute story.
Writers outsmarted themselves. Lowe voted Lebron, and so adds to the notion that he might be the only writer left worth a shit.

Are you really going to compare LeBron this finals versus the last one? Cmon dude, Dubs didn't stop him? Didn't force him to carry the offensive load, wear down at the end of games, jack up contested shots, and shoot a really low percentage? He shot 39.5% or something like that, had an incredible usage rate. Of course he'd get his numbers, and he'd get them in an exhausting and tired way. That was the game plan, and Igloo did a hell of a job executing it. Igloo held LBJ to 38% shooting when he was on the floor, and 44% when he was off.

Under these circumstances, OF COURSE he's going to average crazy numbers. And to blithely chalk it up to "different circumstances."
post #22922 of 27236
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Are you really going to compare LeBron this finals versus the last one?

Am I really going to compare the same player one year apart in the NBA finals? Why that would be crazy. dozingoff.gif

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Cmon dude, Dubs didn't stop him? Didn't force him to carry the offensive load, wear down at the end of games, jack up contested shots, and shoot a really low percentage? He shot 39.5% or something like that, had an incredible usage rate. Of course he'd get his numbers, and he'd get them in an exhausting and tired way.

Dubs won it and deserved it. But no, they didn't stop him. He wasn't forced to carry the offensive load by GS, he was forced to by the circumstances of his own team.

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That was the game plan, and Igloo did a hell of a job executing it. Igloo held LBJ to 38% shooting when he was on the floor, and 44% when he was off.

So nobody debates Lebron was the best player on the court the entire finals, but because Iguadola executed a game plan and reduced his shooting percentage 6% he is the MVP. With that logic, Delavadova deserved it too.
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Are you really going to compare LeBron this finals versus the last one? Cmon dude, Dubs didn't stop him? Didn't force him to carry the offensive load, wear down at the end of games, jack up contested shots, and shoot a really low percentage? He shot 39.5% or something like that, had an incredible usage rate. Of course he'd get his numbers, and he'd get them in an exhausting and tired way. That was the game plan, and Igloo did a hell of a job executing it. Igloo held LBJ to 38% shooting when he was on the floor, and 44% when he was off.

Under these circumstances, OF COURSE he's going to average crazy numbers. And to blithely chalk it up to "different circumstances."
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Prior to Tuesday he had scored or assisted 66.5 percent of Cleveland's baskets in the series, an unimaginable stat made more impressive by the quality of the defense he faced. LeBron's 38.0 percent shooting in the series has drawn criticism, but his teammates weren't any better at a combined 118-of-315 from the field in the Finals (37.4 percent).
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Am I really going to compare the same player one year apart in the NBA finals? Why that would be crazy. dozingoff.gif
Dubs won it and deserved it. But no, they didn't stop him. He wasn't forced to carry the offensive load by GS, he was forced to by the circumstances of his own team.
So nobody debates Lebron was the best player on the court the entire finals, but because Iguadola executed a game plan and reduced his shooting percentage 6% he is the MVP. With that logic, Delavadova deserved it too.

1. Entirely different circumstances, which dictated an entirely different playstyle, which I monologued on for a huge paragraph, but you chalk up to "different circumstances" and move on, as if the triple-double says it all. Dude, the reason he got those numbers this series VS last series was BECAUSE of the circumstances, not because of Kawhi vs Igloo or any other manifestation you might want to come up with. That's just lazy analysis, and yes, crazy.

2. I'd argue both. Dubs could double and trap like the Cavs were to force the ball out of LBJ's hands, but that wasn't the game plan. (Edit. yes they did stop him, or he'd have gone for 60 and won the series or some shit. LBJ got stopped, and the Dubs did the stopping.)

3. They lost. Best player? Sure. But they lost. Did anyone clamor for LBJ to get it last year? Was Kawhi the best player on the floor? (JR Smith over Delly. Smith was awful.)
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But....but...Zach Lowe said it. It MUST be gospel.
post #22926 of 27236
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post


I'm aware. And most of the players literally had 0 makes whenever LBJ was off the floor. LBJ was probably the best player. Don't get how people can just discredit Igloo's contributions, as if it's so preposterous that the winning team is going to have the FMVP.
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the one thing that annoys me the most about zach lowe's articles is that he'll make a reference to something very specific, but the hyperlink leads to his own entire article. rarely links to any one else and never links to whatever the hell it is he's talking about
post #22928 of 27236
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

i don't have a problem with Iguodala getting the MVP, personally. but it is a total joke, now that i've had time to think about it.

Curry averaged what, 26/6/6? while being the catalyst of every meaningful run in every GSW win (and even the losses), and being the focal point to "bend" the defense to him and get Iggy and others the open shots, regardless of whether or not he got an assist for that open look.

Iguodala's job: make those open shots, slow down Lebron, and make hustle plays. big check marks on 1 and 3, but Lebron had one of the all time great Finals performances. oh, and Iggy also had the worst free throw shooting performance that i can remember.

again, i don't mind him getting the award, but this year Finals MVP is more like the Miss Congeniality award rather than anything else

cool but he didn't exist in more than one game until a comfortable lead in 2nd half was established for example game4, Iguadala carried the team in pivotal moments when curry was underperforming, he is deserving. curry james iggy all were somewhat legit choice though and there are arguments for each.
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If you replaced LBJ with me, GSW still wins. If you replaced Iggy with me GSW loses. Hence, Iggy more valuable than LBJ.
post #22930 of 27236
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

the one thing that annoys me the most about zach lowe's articles is that he'll make a reference to something very specific, but the hyperlink leads to his own entire article. rarely links to any one else and never links to whatever the hell it is he's talking about

I've noticed that, there is something buried in the link, but forget finding it within those long articles.
Edited by idfnl - 6/17/15 at 7:24pm
post #22931 of 27236
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Originally Posted by skitlets View Post

1. Entirely different circumstances, which dictated an entirely different playstyle, which I monologued on for a huge paragraph, but you chalk up to "different circumstances" and move on, as if the triple-double says it all. Dude, the reason he got those numbers this series VS last series was BECAUSE of the circumstances, not because of Kawhi vs Igloo or any other manifestation you might want to come up with. That's just lazy analysis, and yes, crazy.

2. I'd argue both. Dubs could double and trap like the Cavs were to force the ball out of LBJ's hands, but that wasn't the game plan. (Edit. yes they did stop him, or he'd have gone for 60 and won the series or some shit. LBJ got stopped, and the Dubs did the stopping.)

3. They lost. Best player? Sure. But they lost. Did anyone clamor for LBJ to get it last year? Was Kawhi the best player on the floor? (JR Smith over Delly. Smith was awful.)

1. You're ignoring the fact that he can do it. Could Iguadola lead a team like that... not a chance.

2. My point overrides. Yes, to a small degree GS influenced him, but it was overwhelmingly because of his own team.

3. Best player = finals MVP. It's my yardstick. Leonard was the best player in the finals last year.
post #22932 of 27236
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

the one thing that annoys me the most about zach lowe's articles is that he'll make a reference to something very specific, but the hyperlink leads to his own entire article. rarely links to any one else and never links to whatever the hell it is he's talking about

"Am I crazy here?"

"Is it just me?"

"I could be wrong but are you seeing this?"
post #22933 of 27236
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

1. You're ignoring the fact that he can do it. Could Iguadola lead a team like that... not a chance.

2. My point overrides. Yes, to a small degree GS influenced him, but it was overwhelmingly because of his own team.

3. Best player = finals MVP. It's my yardstick. Leonard was the best player in the finals last year.

Nope, he just lead a team to a finals victory.
post #22934 of 27236
i hate this wins are all that matters argument when we're talking about how valuable a player is
post #22935 of 27236
i purposely avoided watching game 6 with the hopes of a game 7. caught the last part of the 3rd and into the 4th. ugh

Congrats GSW. Maybe next year, Lebron..
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