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post #22816 of 27250
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Originally Posted by UnFacconable View Post


EDIT: Just for more color on how "bad" Curry has been, there have only been 6 Finals MVPs to ever average more than 25/5/6 during the finals, and Lebron and Kobe are the only people to do it since MJ. MJ did it twice, Magic once and Isaiah Thomas once. I don't think Curry has anything to be ashamed of, even with the one horrible game.

This is one of those moments where statistics can't tell the story.
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I'm surprised that this thread seems to agree on Lebron as MVP.

 

If cave lose in 6, either curry or iguodala will take it. Iggy for 2-way consistency, curry for ability to close.

 

I will lol heartily if the warriors win the finals in cleveland and they give mvp to lebron, where? in the showers? too funny.

 

Even better if warriors finish in oakland.

 

I'll bet that the last person who wants lebron to win mvp for losing is lebron. 

post #22818 of 27250
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This is one of those moments where statistics can't tell the story.

So fill in the gaps? What story am I missing?

Curry outscored Cleveland 4-2 in first overtime game. In Game 3 he went 6-9 with 4 threes in the 4th Quarter and almost brought the W's to victory even though they were down 17 to start the quarter. In game 4 he lead the team in scoring and assists in a blowout. In game 5 he shot the Cavs out of the building in the last 5 minutes of the game and scored 17 pts in the 4th quarter. If the story you're trying to tell is that Curry isn't as good as Lebron, well duh. No one is. Curry has seen more double teams than anyone else in this series and it has affected him. But even with the horrible chokefest in game 2 he's shooting 44% for the series and 40% on 3s. Lebron is shooting under 40% overall. It says a lot about Curry that people consider 26 pts a game on 44% shooting and 40% on 3s to be a bad series for him. A lot of guys would kill to have numbers like that.
post #22819 of 27250
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Well, I figured you had dragged the conversation outside of the scope of Finals, so...

now that's a strawman

Yes, exactly, thank you - my point is that Bron gets nothing if he doesn't win, because winning demonstrates value, not being spectacular. As for who the mvp is, i think probably iguodala has enabled the w's both ways, but offense is probably most important because that's been lacking when they lose. w's are playing tremendous team defense. 

Look, I get that James is dominant. I just don't believe in the mvp as a consolation prize. 

the fuck are you even talking about

the regular season MVP is already steph curry. there's only one mvp left to determine and that's finals mvp. you're who started thinking it's not about finals mvp and now I made the strawman?

the idiocy is palpable.

nobody's saying the mvp is a consolation prize, but it's pretty clear lebron is the most valuable player (for the finals) on either team by a large margin. it's dumb that historically finals mvp went to the best player on the winning team. it should go to the best player period and even you admit it's lebron
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Originally Posted by UnFacconable View Post

So fill in the gaps? What story am I missing?

Curry outscored Cleveland 4-2 in first overtime game. In Game 3 he went 6-9 with 4 threes in the 4th Quarter and almost brought the W's to victory even though they were down 17 to start the quarter. In game 4 he lead the team in scoring and assists in a blowout. In game 5 he shot the Cavs out of the building in the last 5 minutes of the game and scored 17 pts in the 4th quarter. If the story you're trying to tell is that Curry isn't as good as Lebron, well duh. No one is. Curry has seen more double teams than anyone else in this series and it has affected him. But even with the horrible chokefest in game 2 he's shooting 44% for the series and 40% on 3s. Lebron is shooting under 40% overall. It says a lot about Curry that people consider 26 pts a game on 44% shooting and 40% on 3s to be a bad series for him. A lot of guys would kill to have numbers like that.
you're right. i overstated the case. But I think in Curry's case, he had a decent game 1, disappeared game2 and the first 3 quarters of game 3. he bounced back for a decent game 4 but it wasn't until game 5 that he really performed at an MVP level, especially as compared to expectations.
post #22821 of 27250
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the fuck are you even talking about

the regular season MVP is already steph curry. there's only one mvp left to determine and that's finals mvp. you're who started thinking it's not about finals mvp and now I made the strawman?

the idiocy is palpable.

nobody's saying the mvp is a consolation prize, but it's pretty clear lebron is the most valuable player (for the finals) on either team by a large margin. it's dumb that historically finals mvp went to the best player on the winning team. it should go to the best player period and even you admit it's lebron

 

its not the Finals Best Player award.

 

Its the Finals Most Valuable Player Award. 

 

Lebron is the best player on the court.

 

not the most valuable.

 

the distinction is as subtle as the difference between winning and losing.

post #22822 of 27250
uggh i hate talking with idiots

blocking



clippers want to trade hawes and barnes for lance stephenson. they need a gm who knows what the hell they're doing
post #22823 of 27250
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

its not the Finals Best Player award.

Its the Finals Most Valuable Player Award. 

Lebron is the best player on the court.

not the most valuable.

the distinction is as subtle as the difference between winning and losing.

There have been only two players to get a triple double along with 40 points in a finals game, guess who they are.
It would be fine to give it to best player on winning team(if gsw wins) it would be AI or Curry. But if Cleveland loses and
LeBron gets another 2 35-40 games, I'd personally give it to him. And yes he is most valuable player on court by a mile. Game4 showed what happens if he gets only 20 wink.gif
post #22824 of 27250
MVP is Lebron by a mile. Anytime he sits for more than 30 seconds the entire Cavs team falls apart on both sides of the court and the Warriors go on a 6 or 7 pt run. Lebron has an off game like game 4 and the team gets blown out. He has to avg nearly a triple double for the Cavs to even have a chance to win. If that's not most valuable then I don't know what is.
post #22825 of 27250
Word is, "sources" close to the voters say LBJ is the front-runner win OR lose. Barring another flurry by Steph in Game 6,, in all likelihood, James is gonna receive the award.


At the end of the day though, you want the MVP or you want the ring? Definition of bittersweet really.
post #22826 of 27250
Can't give the MVP to a player on the losing team. What is this, the Mickey Mouse basketball association?!
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Who was it that said the cavs didn't have a chance in this series? Called a sweep (or was it 5?). That was before kyrie went down. We now in game 6 with a chance to take it back to oracle. Yeeeee, destiny
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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

Word is, "sources" close to the voters say LBJ is the front-runner win OR lose. Barring another flurry by Steph in Game 6,, in all likelihood, James is gonna receive the award.


At the end of the day though, you want the MVP or you want the ring? Definition of bittersweet really.

Would be bittersweet to the nth degree if it all ends in Cleveland with GS and Lebron each raising a trophy. I'm curious of the logistics and presentation ceremony in that circumstance
post #22829 of 27250
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post


I will lol heartily if the warriors win the finals in cleveland and they give mvp to lebron, where? in the showers? too funny.

That would be extra hilarious… and oh so Cleveland.
post #22830 of 27250

It wouldn't be unprecedented for the MVP to be a member of the losing team as it's happened at least once for each of the 4 major sports (NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL).

 

NBA: Jerry West (1969)

NFL: Chuck Howley (1971)

MLB: Bobby Richardson (1960)

NHL: 5 different times, most recently Jean-Sebastien Giguere (2003)

 

While I didn't witness any of them, it's tough to believe they could've done much more than what LeBron has for his team (and relatively speaking, I think no one on GS has even been playing at an All-Star Level and this is against a team of mostly backups outside LeBron).

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