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post #22321 of 27250
Hoping for a Hawks-Dubs Finals.  No big upsets so far (I think everyone was expecting Memphis over Portland and Washington over Toronto), so might as well.  They're the 2 most likable teams left, anyway.

Also, this came out a week or 2 ago, but it's still relevant.


Edited by diadem - 5/17/15 at 8:14pm
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What in my post was bias or exaggeration? Happy to talk facts or opinion but I have no time for ambiguously sarcastic fuckery
don't be ridiculous, look at your post.
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Not in my book. Sure, there is contact so maybe some excessively pedantic and unnuanced interpretation of the rulebook may prove out that statement. But all foul rules are created to prevent a defender from stopping the offensive player through physical contact. There is no spirit of the rule that would permit a foul to be a situation where you hook your entire arm into my armpit and start flailing around like a hooked largemouth bass

i watched the whole game 7 and i can remember 1, maybe 2 instances where he got a foul that wasn't a legitimate foul. i only really specifically remember a jump shot.

there were a couple instances where he definitely got fouled and didn't get a call. the broadcast team replayed it and it was obvious jordan got all of his arm and no ball when stripping him.

harden exaggerates contact and seeks out fouls for sure. so do a ton of players. durant does the same thing and averages about as many fts. harden doesn't even complain as much as other stars like bron or kobe.

but he absolutely legitimately gets fouled. you're intentionally blind, biased, or an idiot if you think harden consistently fools the refs more than any other superstar. dude just has an elite innate skill of baiting defenders into fouling him. you can hate that and his style, sure, but he is earning the vast majority of these fts.
post #22323 of 27250
Ok. i don't mean he never gets fouled. And to the refs credit, there were at least two plays when he went flailing and flopping into the lane and nothing was called.

What I am specifically talking about is how he swings his own arms and the ball into a defender as he drives. Or worse, hook or grab the defender's arms. It's not all the time, but it's enough to make a very significant difference in his FT attempts.

The contact is totally Harden-initiated. I mean, it was bad enough when Reggie Miller (and his successors Kobe and Wade did it) started doing the jumping into the defender thing, but Harden has created a whole other level of stupidity.

I guess if your definition of "earned the call" is exploiting this bullshit way that the refs have been instructed or allowed to call the game, then I have no argument. But it's a chickenshit way to play the game and that's what I mean by this nonsense not being fouls in my book.
post #22324 of 27250
Out of curiosity, how often does the dude get fined for flopping? Obviously, it's not be-all-end-all stat but if the league found him so bothersome, I'd think they'd make a way for his "acting" to go away.
post #22325 of 27250
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Ok. i don't mean he never gets fouled. And to the refs credit, there were at least two plays when he went flailing and flopping into the lane and nothing was called.

What I am specifically talking about is how he swings his own arms and the ball into a defender as he drives. Or worse, hook or grab the defender's arms. It's not all the time, but it's enough to make a very significant difference in his FT attempts.

The contact is totally Harden-initiated. I mean, it was bad enough when Reggie Miller (and his successors Kobe and Wade did it) started doing the jumping into the defender thing, but Harden has created a whole other level of stupidity.

I guess if your definition of "earned the call" is exploiting this bullshit way that the refs have been instructed or allowed to call the game, then I have no argument. But it's a chickenshit way to play the game and that's what I mean by this nonsense not being fouls in my book.

Don't even know why you have to bother explaining this to people. Really. Harden's crap is obvious, and unwatchable. He plays with the specific intent to get to the foul line as much as possible, and (not incl hack-a) leads the league in this pedantic style of play. Harden's the Lawyerdad of the NBA.

In other news, I just read the Rockets won. Surprised. I can't stand either team, but at least the Clippers play with some flow. Great. More 3 hours games. The only people that love the Rockets are advertisers. Here hoping the Warriors sweep so this ends quickly cheers.gif
post #22326 of 27250
It is awkward hearing the commentators laud Harden for how he puts his body in position to be fouled, as though that's his greatest trait.
post #22327 of 27250
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The only people that love the Rockets are advertisers.

Don't forget the Rockets' fans! Whatever it takes to win a title even if it means playing ugly nearly unwatchable basketball from time to time.
post #22328 of 27250
I don't blame Rockets fans - been there during the Heat Knicks rivalry. Those games were the worst but as long as the Knicks left with a L, we were happy. But that style of play ruined basketball for a long time (i know edmorel will disagree).

I don't even blame the Rockets all that much - the strategy is effective, and it's not like they're cheating. I just wish it didn't exist
post #22329 of 27250
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

What I am specifically talking about is how he swings his own arms and the ball into a defender as he drives. Or worse, hook or grab the defender's arms. It's not all the time, but it's enough to make a very significant difference in his FT attempts.

The contact is totally Harden-initiated. I mean, it was bad enough when Reggie Miller (and his successors Kobe and Wade did it) started doing the jumping into the defender thing, but Harden has created a whole other level of stupidity.
This. He's obviously not the only player to do stuff like this, but it's a huge part of his game and is aggravating to watch.
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? Obviously, it's not be-all-end-all stat but if the league found him so bothersome, I'd think they'd make a way for his "acting" to go away.
Stars sell tickets and tv time.
post #22330 of 27250
Budding romance.

post #22331 of 27250
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Ok. i don't mean he never gets fouled. And to the refs credit, there were at least two plays when he went flailing and flopping into the lane and nothing was called.

What I am specifically talking about is how he swings his own arms and the ball into a defender as he drives. Or worse, hook or grab the defender's arms. It's not all the time, but it's enough to make a very significant difference in his FT attempts.

The contact is totally Harden-initiated. I mean, it was bad enough when Reggie Miller (and his successors Kobe and Wade did it) started doing the jumping into the defender thing, but Harden has created a whole other level of stupidity.

I guess if your definition of "earned the call" is exploiting this bullshit way that the refs have been instructed or allowed to call the game, then I have no argument. But it's a chickenshit way to play the game and that's what I mean by this nonsense not being fouls in my book.
i just disagree on the definition of "very significant."

most of the way harden draws fouls is by leaving his arms out when he gathers during drives. he has an uncanny ability to do that w/o getting stripped all the time. he's also ridiculously strong to be able to take the punishment and not lose the ball all the time.

yes, sometimes he does create contact, just like durant's rip move or lebron during his drives. you're probably just remembering that time he hooked lebron during that bizarre play. yes, that was terrible.

i'm not a big harden fan by any means. i probably only like him somewhat because he has so many haters. but people act like what he does to draw fouls is unprecedented and ruining the league. he's shooting fewer ft/g than jordan and lebron and wade primes, same as durant and kobe. you can hate him and hate watching his style but it's bullshit to say what he's doing is anything new. he flops some more but if you're gonna whine about him you cant do it much more than about other stars.
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i just realized clippers were up 3-1 in the series. they deserve to not advance
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Hawks were down 1-2
Warriors were down 1-2
Rockets were down 1-3

I feel 0-3 :/
post #22335 of 27250
been watching replays and it's pretty obvious clippers starters were exhausted by the 4th quarter in games 5, 6, 7. like blake griffin just stood there a lot hoping to not have to move
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