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post #21916 of 27236
no conley and lillard is hisself again
post #21917 of 27236
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

seriously? guy dislocates a player's shoulder and all he gets is a one game regular season suspension?

I guess the league figured Love needed the rest anyway.

What Olynick did was intentional, both he and JR Smith deserved 10 game suspension.

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Hey so I finally saw MCW play in a game that actually mattered. Bucks won the game but MCW must be the shakiest PG for a playoff team this year. Guy seems like he's got some skills but it's clear that he has no idea what he's doing out there

I'd go one step further, he's just downright awful on offense. His shooting is just atrocious, I just don't understand how these guys get in the NBA under this obsession with upside. If this is what upside looks like, stay in college, kid. Learn to shoot. Watch more game tape.

Trading Knight for this guy was a big mistake. I understand what Kidd wants to do by having a sea of long arms on defense, but if the guy can't run your point, what good is he?

This aside, Impressive comeback from the Bucks in the series. It's become the most fun series of the playoffs.
post #21918 of 27236
seconds before the Kevin Love Injury:




although Kelly held on to Kevin's arm causing dislocation of Kevin's shoulder, you can see that its standard practice for expert rebounders to do these kind of things like locking arms while jostling for a rebound. just as Love locked arms with Kelly while jostling for the rebound before Kevin's unfortunate injury occurred.




post #21919 of 27236
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Hey so I finally saw MCW play in a game that actually mattered. Bucks won the game but MCW must be the shakiest PG for a playoff team this year. Guy seems like he's got some skills but it's clear that he has no idea what he's doing out there

 

Really?  I didn't get to watch the game, so I don't know if he passes my eye test or not, but his stat line looked pretty decent last night -- 22 points, eight rebounds, nine assists and three blocks, while shooting 10-for-15.  The consensus today among sports columnists was that he roundly outplayed D-Rose, at least for one game.

 

Or were you talking about Game 4 and not Game 5?

post #21920 of 27236
Dude also rolled his ankle, taped it up, and came back in the game. Props. Pesky, pesky Bucks
post #21921 of 27236
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

Really?  I didn't get to watch the game, so I don't know if he passes my eye test or not, but his stat line looked pretty decent last night -- 22 points, eight rebounds, nine assists and three blocks, while shooting 10-for-15.  The consensus today among sports columnists was that he roundly outplayed D-Rose, at least for one game.

Or were you talking about Game 4 and not Game 5?

Last nights game.

This is one of those that the stat line doesn't match the performance. He's not that good, just look at his numbers on the season. Rose had a bad game, and MCW was influential on defense, but it's not his defense that's in question.
post #21922 of 27236
MCW still looks wild out there to me, and has a tendency to play to the crowd (at least in Philly). It looks as though Kidd is stepping in big as a hands-on coach, which bodes well based on these performances so far. I saw how vociferous Kidd can be to call time outs and he seems to call the right plays, so kudos to him. The Bucks are a really fun team to watch, and that length seems stellar from a defensive standpoint.

I wonder what they'll be like with another year under the belts and Jabbari Parker returned from injury.
post #21923 of 27236
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

Really?  I didn't get to watch the game, so I don't know if he passes my eye test or not, but his stat line looked pretty decent last night -- 22 points, eight rebounds, nine assists and three blocks, while shooting 10-for-15.  The consensus today among sports columnists was that he roundly outplayed D-Rose, at least for one game.

Or were you talking about Game 4 and not Game 5?
No, last night. And yeah, the stat line is impressive. I'm really commenting on how he looked running the team. He doesn't seem to have a game plan other than probe the defense and see what happens.
post #21924 of 27236
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seconds before the Kevin Love Injury: …

you can see that its standard practice

… and as standard practice, the other opposing players all ran off the court with their arms hanging limp like broken chicken wings. Oh wait…
post #21925 of 27236
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

No, last night. And yeah, the stat line is impressive. I'm really commenting on how he looked running the team. He doesn't seem to have a game plan other than probe the defense and see what happens.


It seemed like it isn't 100% his fault, you can see in several plays that the other players simply did not know where they were suppose to be. He was telling Giannis to go screen or run to a spot a couple of times in the 4th. He still has plenty to learn obviously but it's hard to blame it all on him when the other players in his team isn't following the plays drawn up or the coach simply has a terrible game plan.
post #21926 of 27236
Nobody said anything was 100% his fault. The Bucks offense is more refined than it was in 76er land, so he's in a situation where he should be more effective. You can argue he is, but to run at an elite level for deep runs into the playoffs. For example, it's too easy to defend MCW in pick n roll when the defender can just go under every screen. You can easily cheat off him and deny entry passes when he's away from the rim as well. He can't punish a missed rotation. He's sort of a Rondo-light, without Rondo's crafty nature. Or I should say what Rondo used to be. He's on a 70% FT shooter as well. There just isn't a lot to be afraid of. Any modern point guard has to be a shooting threat nowadays.
post #21927 of 27236
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

seconds before the Kevin Love Injury:

[img]http://www.styleforum.net/content/te/61/id/1704538/[/ig] although Kelly held on to Kevin's arm causing dislocation of Kevin's shoulder, you can see that its standard practice for expert rebounders to do these kind of things like locking arms while jostling for a rebound. just as Love locked arms with Kelly while jostling for the rebound before Kevin's unfortunate injury occurred.ig]im]
celts homer...

totally common practice to lock arms, but way different to yank arms while running around, or to hold it and move a different direction. most rebounders hold to physically prevent their opponents from jumping high, not to physically redirect their whole body via their arm at the socket. what love did to olynyk doesn't really compare to what olynyk ended up doing. i'm sure olynyk didn't mean to dislocate his shoulder, but it was a dirty play and super dangerous. how many shoulder dislocations have you seen from rebounding battles?

now their GM says he's basically out for the playoffs. ugh.
post #21928 of 27236
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Originally Posted by Kid Nickels View Post

… and as standard practice, the other opposing players all ran off the court with their arms hanging limp like broken chicken wings. Oh wait…

dislocating a shoulder is such a rare occurrence that I'm actually inclined to believe that it was a freak accident. nba players lock arms all the time jostling for rebounds.

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celts homer...

totally common practice to lock arms, but way different to yank arms while running around, or to hold it and move a different direction. most rebounders hold to physically prevent their opponents from jumping high, not to physically redirect their whole body via their arm at the socket. what love did to olynyk doesn't really compare to what olynyk ended up doing. i'm sure olynyk didn't mean to dislocate his shoulder, but it was a dirty play and super dangerous. how many shoulder dislocations have you seen from rebounding battles?

now their GM says he's basically out for the playoffs. ugh.

I'm a celtics fan, and actually something similar happened:

^ I could easily look at that and conclude that Dwyane Wade is a dirty player that did a non basketball play that resulted in Rondo dislocating his elbow. But I also saw how hard both wade and rondo were going at each other throughout the whole series and realized that it was a terribly unlucky outcome, but the outcome doesn't prove a correlation.



^what about kobe's elbow on Bibby? you could argue that that play single handely proved that Kobe is a dirty bastard who threw that elbow on purpose, to which ultimately proved a key play to having the lakers beat the kings. But is it really? That was the unlucky outcome on that specific play, the kings could've actually scored or prevented the lakers from scoring all the way back in the 1st min of play also.

the fact is, is Love and Kelly were going hard at each other the whole series and sometimes that results in just body aches and bruises, but the extremely rare freak accident occurred where Love got unfortunately injured.
post #21929 of 27236
lol what? the reason it was such a FREAK OCCURRENCE is obviously because no one in the nba freaking grabs an arm with both arms and tries to jerk it down and run away w/ it. like saying that saying that monk that burned himself alive in vietnam was a freak accident because plenty of people sit down indian-style and yet rarely any light aflame. uhhh the reason the result was different in this instance is cuz it's not comparable to past instances.

it was obviously a dirty play. nobody here said olynyk is a dirty player but he made a dirty play.

btw as a celts fan you clearly know plenty of ppl consider wade at least a semi-dirty player.
post #21930 of 27236

Spurs / Clippers game tied heading into the 4th. Despite the seemingly constant fouls in the 3rd, I'm on the edge of my seat.

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