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post #21856 of 27247
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I thought he is a free agent after this season so why do they have an option to pay him a rookie salarty next year?
post #21857 of 27247
he's a restricted free agent next year (next year as in next season) and his salary only counts as $7 million towards their cap. i think i misunderstood and miswrote the cap situation somewhere, but that's what i understand. i think the given assumption of that $7 million figure is that the spurs sign him later this year.
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Here’s how.
If the Spurs offered Leonard a maximum extension today, that number would kick in immediately following the 2014-15 season at a price tag north of $16 million — the estimated worth of a max salary for a player coming off his rookie-scale contract. But, should the front office wait until next summer, they could actually take advantage of a cap hold worth much less than that.
Cap holds don’t normally work this way, where a player’s theoretical value on the open market is significantly higher than it is in terms of actual dollars on the payroll in the form of a cap hold. But Leonard’s hold, should the Spurs hold off on an extension this week, would be just under $7.3 million next summer rather than ~$16.5 million. You can get a lot done in free agency with an extra $9 million in your pocket, but San Antonio would have to act swiftly and deftly to make sure it all goes right.

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/for-kawhi-leonard-its-been-max-or-bust-since-day-1

i read the same somewhere else. i am a little confused as to why it's a $7.3 million hold and not the full value of his contract but i think it has to with the fact that players coming off their rookie deals (for first round picks) are a restricted free agent. if they want to not be a restricted free agent they can sign a qualifying offer (like greg monroe did) so that for the next season they could be unrestricted and sign anywhere.,


i think i just realized how much control a team has over their draftee and how long they get to keep them for. year 3 and 4 is a team option and year 5 is a restricted free agency. that's a huge amount of say. the only way a player opts out is a QO in year 5 which is worth substantially less. They would be really free in year 6 but if they sign with another team they earn far less than what they can with their original team
post #21858 of 27247
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But if he signs an offer sheet (which is pretty much a guarrantee) then they would have to pay him the same (via the chart I posted in the last page). They'd have to pay him $15mil or whatever amount either way so I think that is moot. I doubt he doesn't sign an offer sheet and take the $7mil rookie pay.




It also states it could be higher if he wins an MVP? Does being DPoY counts in some way? Doubt it actually alters the max he can get paid though.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

But if he signs an offer sheet (which is pretty much a guarrantee) then they would have to pay him the same (via the chart I posted in the last page). They'd have to pay him $15mil or whatever amount either way so I think that is moot. I doubt he doesn't sign an offer sheet and take the $7mil rookie pay.




It also states it could be higher if he wins an MVP? Does being DPoY counts in some way? Doubt it actually alters the max he can get paid though.

I think I misunderstood earlier. It's not a $7 million rookie pay cuz his rookie contract is up in year 4 (this season)

In year 5 (next season) until he signs an extension his contribution towards the cap is $7 million. It doesn't mean he gets paid $7 million. That's just the amount the cap takes a hit (ie a cap hold)

I'm not exactly sure what happens to the cap after kawhi signs the contract (I'm guessing it goes up by the difference) but until then the Spurs (for a few months?) have an extra $9 million to chase free agents. But after kawhi signs he'll get paid that $17 million or whatever as his year 1 of new contract (next year)

I think the MVP considerations have to do with being a designated player. Any team can sign one rookie as a designated player for a 5 year 25% of salary cap. The only way you can get a second designated player is through trade or having someone on a contract before the newest cba.

if you've been nominated MVP, named as all star starter twice, or on all NBA twice you can get a 5 year 30% contract instead. No considerations for DPOY but DPOYs are rarely somebody young like kawhi
Edited by indesertum - 4/25/15 at 2:43am
post #21860 of 27247
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They didn't give Kawhi an extension because it would tie up their cap. They're hoping they sign a free agent in the summer and then offer kawhi max.

Green is the big kink cuz he's going to command a lot of money on the market. If they pay green they won't have enough for an elite free agent like LMA.

If I was Aldridge, I'd be calling Pop to promise me 5 years and Leonard to make sure he re-ups.

It would be a massive coup for SA to get Aldridge... with him, Duncan and Splitter sharing the minutes in the frontcourt, it's very formidable. Duncan could go another 3 or 4 years with a reduced role.

If I had to choose between Green and Aldridge, it wouldn't really be a choice. There are plenty more Green types than there are Aldridge.
post #21861 of 27247

The only destinations that make sense for Aldridge are Dallas, San Antonio, and Boston if he leaves Portland. I know Boston and Dallas haven't been mentioned here yet, but I think they do have the cap space.

 

Not sure if he would actually sign with LA or NY as I can't imagine he wants to go back to missing the playoffs considering his age and career.

post #21862 of 27247
Both Dallas and SA are appealing to him because of the aging veteran in his spot. Both teams would improve and remain contenders with his introduction.

If I was him, I wouldn't want to deal with the tumult in LA, nor the transition in NY, but Boston might be a destination, though SA and Dallas have much better cores.

I think he sees Portland's current crew as reaching it's limit, and this playoff series is a mess. He would be foolish to stay.

My guess is he leaves and the best options are in Texas, where I believe he's from.
post #21863 of 27247
Is Marc Gasol a free agent, too?
post #21864 of 27247
Yeah but no way Memphis lets him go
post #21865 of 27247
I'M DYINGGGGGGGGGGG

post #21866 of 27247
Poor Clips...
post #21867 of 27247
seems likely that gasol will stay w/ memphis, esp since they're gonna make the 2nd round.

i don't think anyone really knows where lma is going or what kind of situation he values.. he seems pretty fickle, judging by reports.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

But if he signs an offer sheet (which is pretty much a guarrantee) then they would have to pay him the same (via the chart I posted in the last page). They'd have to pay him $15mil or whatever amount either way so I think that is moot. I doubt he doesn't sign an offer sheet and take the $7mil rookie pay.


It also states it could be higher if he wins an MVP? Does being DPoY counts in some way? Doubt it actually alters the max he can get paid though.

yea you're right about the offer sheet but the spurs will tell kawhi to not sign an offer sheet to let them play w/ the extra 9M or so in free agency for a few days or more. if they get a max FA like gasol or aldridge then they can sign him, then exceed the salary cap to resign kawhi and give him a raise. if they don't get anyone, they can still pay kawhi later in FA.

in order to do this, kawhi needs to agree to not sign another team's offer sheet.

if you recall last year, houston tried to do this w/ parsons. then parsons got antsy and screwed them by signing dallas' offer sheet. btw even if kawhi signs someone else's offer sheet that still gives the spurs 72 hrs to try to get another player b4 they have to match. that's what houston tried to do last year by sneaking bosh in b4 the deadline.

yea that's the derrick rose rule; if you win the mvp or get on 2 all-nba teams (?? something like this) or start 2 all-star games, you're eligible to get a higher max. paul george might have gotten this too? and maybe kyrie
post #21868 of 27247
the hell? nets won a game? each game has been a little too close for me
post #21869 of 27247

Hawks played like shit. Brook Lopez played great D, though -- ATL shot 1-of-17 on shots that Lopez contested and 0-of-8 at the rim.  Bojan Bogdanovic was productive offensively, but D-Will still looks terrible.

post #21870 of 27247
Dwight's full-court shot saying "Whatever you can do LeBron, I can do in a more feminine way." (nice "throw" you fucking tool)
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