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post #21646 of 27206
we'll see what happens w/ matthews i guess. he was def gonna come back to portland b4 the injury, but maybe he'll go for highest bidder now?

yea lma is gonna be 30 next year. and it's pretty foolhardy to rely on a draft pick when they're gonna pick in the low 20s. maybe they can get a free agent tho.

wow according to draft express lillard's wingspan is 6'7.75" while curry's is 6'3.5". he's got tons of work to do on that end, we'll see if he can. he won't get the benefit of 2 elite defenders and a couple other very good ones like curry tho.

come to think of it, whos gonna dominate the west in the future? golden state's future is sky-high if they keep draymond, houston should be very good for awhile, but possibly not a title contender if they can't keep dwight healthy. but daryl morey seems to be great so far and they have the superstar to build around. clippers should continue being great for at least the next two years, and doc couldn't possibly build a worse bench, could he?? i guess deandre might leave, depending on what happens in the playoffs. portland should certainly be in the thick of it, prob that next tier down. okc will be elite-level next year, presumably. memphis will probably take a step back or continue on the same route; they got some older players but should be able to improve their shooting. san antonio will certainly fall off once duncan retires; who knows when that is? dallas is another tier down, but prob have more flexibility and uncertainty than anyone. prob the same tier as new orleans. phoenix will be interesting but need a lot of help or a huge step from alex len.
post #21647 of 27206
I think the Jazz core is going to be big. It depends on exum and hood's development and favors developing a better midrange game

Otherwise warriors are actually relatively young (25-27ish) and about to hit prime . They're just going to need an elite defensive center to take over Bogut. Mo is not going to develop into that.

I don't think Pelicans are ever going to get out of first or second round unless one or two of their young guards or wings take that big next leap forward

Memphis and Dallas are on their way out. Spurs have an interesting young core at the wings with Kawhi and Green but they need a next level PG and center. I'm wondering if Kyle Anderson will develop into much or just will be a decent rotation player
post #21648 of 27206
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i dunno if he's gonna get in, i'm not a hof expert. i just know that it's comparably a lot easier to get into the bball hall than in other sports.

bball reference puts his chances at 75%, which i think is kinda high. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

btw the only ppl who have averaged 15 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 1.5 stl, 1.1 blks over a career are shawn marion and hakeem olajuwon. DONT YOU FEEL DUMB NOW biggrin.gif (but seriously i was really surprised by that lol)
That's a very interesting page you linked there...I find it interesting that he has about the same HOF prob as Amare, which sounds right (meaning they both shouldn't get in tongue.gif), but...the raw number seems really high. But that's what you get sometimes with regression models, and sometimes it's best to take this stuff directionally - like if I take the active list as a rank order of who should get in, it makes more sense IMO than focusing on why so and so has this number.

The one thing I find really predictive is that the relative locks (top 15 active) for HOF looks spot on. The biggest lols are Al Jefferson having the same HOF prob as Sasha Vujacic, and Calvin Murphy having less than a 1% chance of making the HOF despite....actually being in the HOF.

(Btw I am fully aware that outliers are expected in any analysis and do not invalidate the model, I just found it funny)
post #21649 of 27206
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post #21650 of 27206
#7 was a big time travel. That video is pretty pointless.
post #21651 of 27206
how's this for stats? ~25% of tech fouls given in the nba this year occurred in suns games or clipper games. lol8[1].gif
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I think the Jazz core is going to be big. It depends on exum and hood's development and favors developing a better midrange game
oh yeah, forgot the jazz. you're totally right that it depends on exum and hood to a lesser extent. they really need a pg that doesn't kill them. if favors and gobert can find a way to hit average efficiency together on offense they're gonna be good. but as they currently are, i doubt they're higher than 6th-7th or so.
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That's a very interesting page you linked there...I find it interesting that he has about the same HOF prob as Amare, which sounds right (meaning they both shouldn't get in tongue.gif), but...the raw number seems really high. But that's what you get sometimes with regression models, and sometimes it's best to take this stuff directionally - like if I take the active list as a rank order of who should get in, it makes more sense IMO than focusing on why so and so has this number.

The one thing I find really predictive is that the relative locks (top 15 active) for HOF looks spot on. The biggest lols are Al Jefferson having the same HOF prob as Sasha Vujacic, and Calvin Murphy having less than a 1% chance of making the HOF despite....actually being in the HOF.

(Btw I am fully aware that outliers are expected in any analysis and do not invalidate the model, I just found it funny)
yeah i agree w/ you. it just makes it difficult to say marion has no shot when ppl like mitch richmond got in...i don't think reggie miller deserved it either, but got in on the basis of being in the media, 8 pts 9 secs, and otherwise just being klay thompson.

the basketball hof is hard to predict cuz it also includes international play and college (and aba), which is straight up weird. so like manu is probably going to make it, altho his nba #s are meh. but yeah, some of those already inducted have pretty underwhelming resumes.
post #21652 of 27206
Just realized its a mavs rockets first round. Cuban already wen on record and called them one dimensional, predictable, and not a very good team (but also said James Harden is MVP)
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Cuban already wen on record and called them one dimensional, predictable, and not a very good team

I think he's right. I think they lose first round, or just skim by and die off in the next round. Just too much to combat their style in a playoff scenario.
post #21654 of 27206
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and otherwise just being klay thompson.
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post #21655 of 27206
predictions for the 1st round?

mine: gsw in 4 (just way too good)
hou in 5 (dallas has nobody to guard harden)
clippers in 7 (?????)
memphis in 7 (if healthy, would take them in 5 or 6)

atl in 4 (brk bleh)
cle in 5 (stephens will pull out a win)
chi in 5 (mil has no experience, chicago can be pretty potent)
tor in 7 (playoff wittman!)
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......agree or disagree?
post #21656 of 27206
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

predictions for the 1st round?

mine: gsw in 4 (just way too good)
hou in 5 (dallas has nobody to guard harden)
clippers in 7 (?????)
memphis in 7 (if healthy, would take them in 5 or 6)

atl in 4 (brk bleh)
cle in 5 (stephens will pull out a win)
chi in 5 (mil has no experience, chicago can be pretty potent)
tor in 7 (playoff wittman!)
......agree or disagree?

Hou in 6

SAS beats Clips in 7
post #21657 of 27206
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

predictions for the 1st round?

mine: gsw in 4 (just way too good)
hou in 5 (dallas has nobody to guard harden)
clippers in 7 (?????)
memphis in 7 (if healthy, would take them in 5 or 6)

atl in 4 (brk bleh)
cle in 5 (stephens will pull out a win)
chi in 5 (mil has no experience, chicago can be pretty potent)
tor in 7 (playoff wittman!)
......agree or disagree?

Warriors in 5 maybe even 6. I think Davis can pull off at least one game

Rockets in 7. They're too injured and playoffs Mavs are much better. Rockets don't have Beverly, jones, or montejunas and dwight hasn't played much yet. I think mavs might even win.

Spurs in 7

Grizzlies in 7

Atlanta in 3.5 They win last game using just bench players

Cavs in 5. Yeah I think Stevens pulls off a win

Chicago in 6. I think bucks will be a big problem for them.

Raptors in I have no idea. Maybe 6
post #21658 of 27206
GSW in 5
Dallas in 6
Spurs in 6
Memphis in 7

ATL in 4 (Brooklyn doesn't even deserve to be in here...would rather see IND rematch of last year if PG was healthy)
Cle in 6
Chicago in 6
Wash in 7 (Raps choke again)
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......agree or disagree?
Oh, agree. It's funny because it's apt.
post #21660 of 27206
i feel like one of the things the sixers are overlooking is player development. superstars might be drafted, but i feel like physical abilities are only half the equation. i want to say the vast majority of superstars had older players to mentor them, show them skills, show them how to handle themselves on court, show them how to react to certain sets or look out for certain motions. the sixers are never going to get that.
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