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post #21541 of 27206
remember the trade deadline madness where okc made brooklyn think they basically had a done deal for brook lopez, brooklyn fans/billy knight were all giddy, then sam presti yelled, "PSYCH" and traded for enes kanter instead? i wonder if their team would have been better post-all star if they had just gotten lopez.

i have a difficult time believing kanter will ever be an above-average player, given that he is one of the worst defensive bigs in the league. maybe if serge is healthy he can cover for him sufficiently, but i guess we're not gonna find out this season.

russ w/ a peak russ performance, filling the stat sheet w/ 54/9/8 on 43 shots. okc goes 11-28 from the ft line, russ gets suspended for the last game of the season w/ 16 techs on the year, and the thunder's season is effectively over.
post #21542 of 27206
yeah but keeping brook lopez would've been a real bitch and would'nt it have put them over the luxury tax like crazy? or does it only count for the next year

brook lopez has been amazing but i can't help but think that he's one more foot injury away from being a terrible deal and he has one year left on his deal. if it was like curry where they resigned him while he was injured they could've had a killer contract


also wasn't the deal basically reggie jackson and picks for brook lopez? i think OKC really needed bench guys kyle singler and dj augustin as well. i don't think they would've survived with just brook lopez

enes kanter really needs to work on his defense


really sucks for okc
post #21543 of 27206
Speaking of great nicknames, Penis Kanter is a pretty good one
post #21544 of 27206
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

yeah but keeping brook lopez would've been a real bitch and would'nt it have put them over the luxury tax like crazy? or does it only count for the next year

brook lopez has been amazing but i can't help but think that he's one more foot injury away from being a terrible deal and he has one year left on his deal. if it was like curry where they resigned him while he was injured they could've had a killer contract


also wasn't the deal basically reggie jackson and picks for brook lopez? i think OKC really needed bench guys kyle singler and dj augustin as well. i don't think they would've survived with just brook lopez

enes kanter really needs to work on his defense


really sucks for okc
i dont really know how the luxury tax would work for this year. i think it still kicks in.

lopez can't be at once a terrible deal and only have one year left. if he only has 1 year left, then it's not a giant deal if he gets injured.

what makes kanter worse is that now they're gonna feel forced to pay him this summer, and he's gonna command $10m+ cuz of his scoring and rebounding, but he's not a good player. i don't think he's going to get better. you don't go from being a horrendous defensive big to average like...ever. and he doesn't have the physical skills that would help either.

the pistons deal was separate, right? or if it was a multi-team deal, i don't see why they wouldn't have been able to do it separately.
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This clip is a bit shorter and you see the highlights earlier.

I remember at the beginning of this season everyone was raving about how no one had ever seen someone with Anthony Davis's abilities or potential. Well that's probably because they never saw Chamberlain - look at those blocks in the beginning of the clip. I don't even know if anyone today could replicate those. Just from the clips, you could tell this guy was amazingly quick, strong, and athletic for a basketball player, much less a player of his size.
I agree with what you're saying, but what jumps out at me is how many of those blocks would have been called goal-tending today (maybe the rules have changed?) In some instances it may be that my brain just assumes it must be goaltending because the block is so remarkable that it looks "wrong". But some of those shots had definitely peaked. The block of Kareem's skyhook looked like definite goaltending (but was still super fun to see).
post #21546 of 27206
Wilt was ridiculous. There's no question in my mind he'd be the best player in basketball today - he'd probably be a stretch 4 haha. The craziest thing about him is that none of his progeny (as far as we know) are in the NBA. How do you sleep with 20,000 women and not put a single kid in the league when Rick Barry went 3 for 4 with his sons.
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i dont really know how the luxury tax would work for this year. i think it still kicks in.

lopez can't be at once a terrible deal and only have one year left. if he only has 1 year left, then it's not a giant deal if he gets injured.

what makes kanter worse is that now they're gonna feel forced to pay him this summer, and he's gonna command $10m+ cuz of his scoring and rebounding, but he's not a good player. i don't think he's going to get better. you don't go from being a horrendous defensive big to average like...ever. and he doesn't have the physical skills that would help either.

the pistons deal was separate, right? or if it was a multi-team deal, i don't see why they wouldn't have been able to do it separately.

yeah i dunno. was jackson a UFA?

i guess it might've been terrible for one season

they were separate deals but i think they were being careful of the luxury tax. my point was brook lopez is $17 mill/year whereas kanter, singler, dj augustin, novak i don't think combine for that. they needed bench players at almost every position.
post #21548 of 27206
i can't believe lakers got jordan clarkson for cash
post #21549 of 27206
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Originally Posted by UnFacconable View Post

Wilt was ridiculous. There's no question in my mind he'd be the best player in basketball today - he'd probably be a stretch 4 haha. The craziest thing about him is that none of his progeny (as far as we know) are in the NBA. How do you sleep with 20,000 women and not put a single kid in the league when Rick Barry went 3 for 4 with his sons.
This is truth. The only matches that I think would be at all interesting would be Wilt v. Shaq at his very short-lived best and Wilt v. The Dream, just to see what the best moving center could do against someone like Wilt. But I think Wilt comes out ahead against each and every one. He was long, strong (crazy strong), fleet, smart and skilled. Not much beats that combination, except for armed.
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post #21551 of 27206
I think its weird that wilt chaimberlain won only two championships.

there's the weird dichotomy in the nba where 99% of the time need a superstar if you want to win a championship, but a transcendent player like Wilt still got beat by better teams.

I hope lebron isn't going to be like wilt, and only actually end up with two chips. Its not like wilt didn't try to change his game to become a better team player.... he did, but there seemed to be another team that was playing better even when he was at his best. Kind of like in 2011 when the Heat lost to the Mavs.
post #21552 of 27206
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

yeah i dunno. was jackson a UFA?

i guess it might've been terrible for one season

they were separate deals but i think they were being careful of the luxury tax. my point was brook lopez is $17 mill/year whereas kanter, singler, dj augustin, novak i don't think combine for that. they needed bench players at almost every position.
i think he's restricted.

well the thunder are in the tax right now, so i dunno how much of a diff that would have made. if they traded for lopez and managed to dump a couple of ppl, say lamb and telfair (and didn't pick up novak), they only would have been $4M over what they're spending now. and they're ognna be close to the cap if not over next year.

but the point is: lopez is better than kanter isn't he? i was certainly down on him earlier this year but he's been great post-all star break.
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I think its weird that wilt chaimberlain won only two championships.

there's the weird dichotomy in the nba where 99% of the time need a superstar if you want to win a championship, but a transcendent player like Wilt still got beat by better teams.

I hope lebron isn't going to be like wilt, and only actually end up with two chips. Its not like wilt didn't try to change his game to become a better team player.... he did, but there seemed to be another team that was playing better even when he was at his best. Kind of like in 2011 when the Heat lost to the Mavs.
it's also weird to remember how few teams there were back then. in wilt's 2nd year there were 8 total teams in the league. when he retired there were 17. really stresses how difficult it is to win a championship nowadays, but also makes it obvious how you could constantly get beaten in the finals by the same frickin team back then.
post #21553 of 27206
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

I think its weird that wilt chaimberlain won only two championships.

there's the weird dichotomy in the nba where 99% of the time need a superstar if you want to win a championship, but a transcendent player like Wilt still got beat by better teams.

I hope lebron isn't going to be like wilt, and only actually end up with two chips. Its not like wilt didn't try to change his game to become a better team player.... he did, but there seemed to be another team that was playing better even when he was at his best. Kind of like in 2011 when the Heat lost to the Mavs.

I think most of those seasons he made it to the finals, but he met a better all around team in Boston with a formidable center in Bill Russel. It is still remarkable that he didn't win more, even as he adjusted his game to make others more productive around him. It shows you what a great set of teams those were in Boston, and what a great coach Red Auerbach was.
post #21554 of 27206
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

it's also weird to remember how few teams there were back then. in wilt's 2nd year there were 8 total teams in the league. when he retired there were 17. really stresses how difficult it is to win a championship nowadays, but also makes it obvious how you could constantly get beaten in the finals by the same frickin team back then.


if you look at the past nba champions, you'll see that there still seems to be a trend to have a select few teams that actually won championships.

tis basically the spurs, bulls, lakers, celtics with a some 3 time and two time champions sprinkled in. Mind you this spans even the modern era with a 30 team league.

wilt still lost to teams that may have actually not as been as talented as his too.... that 1973 finals loss (with Jerry West and that stacked lakers squad) to the Knicks must have stung.

If the warriors actually win it this year they vault into the 4x champion level.... granted their chips came back in the 40's, 50's and 70's.... but still its not like they don't have championship pedigree... hopefully they can sustain it and not be a once in a decade blazing comet that happened in their past championships...
post #21555 of 27206
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wilt still lost to teams that may have actually not as been as talented as his too.... that 1973 finals loss (with Jerry West and that stacked lakers squad) to the Knicks must have stung.

 

They lost in 5 games with game 5 in LA, too...

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