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Nobody is expecting NBA quality ball, but the game is much worse than it was even in the fairly recent past. One and done and rules changes have really made it hard to watch if you like decent basketball. They can't even pull the "at least they have fundamentals" card anymore.

Exactly. I looks like high school ball with better athletes. The shot clock is endless. It's dribble, pass, dribble dribble, pass. Back in the 80s you say solid fundamental ball. Then the high school generation came into the league and from there it was downhill for college. If there is a rule, they should make it 2 years. But I still believe college ball should be converted to semi-pro.
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Wooooo Pelicans!!
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watching ncaa is fun for me because they use all these weird things that nobody in the nba uses. like full court presses or zone presses that kentucky was using.

i think my favorite goal celebration of all time is harden's cooking one.
Edited by indesertum - 4/7/15 at 11:51pm
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Green being a dick and fueling the feud.
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Golden State forward Draymond Green told Grantland's Jonathan Abrams that he strongly dislikes the Clippers, and he surely spoke for other players around the NBA when he explained his reasoning:
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“They have a cocky arrogance, like they've won something, and they haven't done nothing,” Green said. “They pretty much been to the same spot in the playoffs we've been to. But they have this cockiness like you're supposed to bow down to them. They ain't proved nothing. They ain't earned nothing. What respect have you earned?”

But couldn't any Clippers player say the same thing about Green?
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“I wouldn't say that, because I don't expect anybody to bow down to me,” Green said. “Nor do I expect you to respect me. I'm going to earn your respect. When it's all said and done, you'll respect me and our team.”


Funny thing is dude acts pretty damn cocky himself pounding his chest every play and acting like he has made a game winning shot all the time and practically taunting the other team. Clips aren't perfect, CP3 is one of the dirtiest player and a flop master, being a stan aside but despite the stares at the refs when they do not get a call I never really see or feel they are that arrogant, more immature.

To be fair the Clips did eliminate them in the playoffs last year and did get farther than them in the playoffs.

I like the Dubs a lot and I love the rivalry but I'm just really starting to hate Green, even more than Bogut. Which is good in some way I guess, get some good ol' rivalry going where the two teams aren't hugging each other and being best friends afterwards?


But ironically during Dubs game last night against the Pelicans...

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Fyi, my ball boy contact told me that many Warrior players are calling tonight's game a scrimmage.
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Honestly, the Warriors can treat every game until the end of the regular season as a scrimmage, even if there are still quality opponents left on the schedule, because they have home-court advantage locked up throughout the playoffs. Not sure if they were intentionally disrespecting New Orleans.

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TheBrow seemed insulted enough and if the team got fired up enough to win due to that and these two likely end up face each other off in the first round then it can get very interesting.

Wouldn't it be ironic if they do play each other because last nights win puts NO in the 8th seed and Pelicans eliminates them? It'll be like the Mavs/Dubs series all over again but they'd be on the other end of the stick.
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NBPA launches annual award program voted on by players

The National Basketball Players Association has launched its own annual awards that will be voted on by players.

The program, which will feature anonymous voting by the players, was announced in a memo from union executive director Michele Roberts this week.

"Guys are going to be able to recognize the guys they play against every night and what they do for their franchises," LeBron James, who recently was elected as vice president of the union, said Wednesday.

The players-only awards, which will include a Most Valuable Player honor, will be announced to union members at the annual meeting in Las Vegas in July. USA Today first reported the awards after obtaining Roberts' memo.

Since 1981, the NBA's official annual awards are voted on by a panel of media members selected by the league and have a wide-ranging sponsorship from Kia. Those votes are all made public by the league after being tabulated by the accounting firm Ernst & Young.

Roberts implemented the new awards following several star players publicly calling for NBA players to have a say in high-profile awards.

"The players know each other inside and out," reigning MVP Kevin Durant said over All-Star Weekend. "The media isn't in the film room and goes for sexy names."

Stephen Curry, who is the favorite to win this year's MVP, later campaigned for players to have a portion of the vote in a national radio interview.

"This program was created at your request to recognize outstanding performance of your peers, on and off the court," Roberts wrote in the memo. "No one knows better than you what it takes to shine."

James, who has won four MVP Awards voted on by the media, said how the official voting is handled in the future should be discussed.

"It's a conversation we can have at a later date," James said. "The media has done a great job every single year picking the awards. But us players get to see the guys every single day, so it's a longer conversation."

James said that players can't vote for themselves for awards. But who would his vote be for MVP this year?

"Myself," James said.
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If the Warriors can't beat the Pelicans in a 7 game series, they weren't going to do much damage in the playoffs. Either of the Pelicans and Thunder are good teams, but won't be competing for a championship this year. Given where the Warriors want to be, they have to be able to beat these teams in the first round, regardless of motivation, etc. Last night's game had less to do with respect then with Klay Thompson performing horribly and the Pelicans making a lot of nice plays in the 3rd Quarter when Bogut was sitting with foul trouble and at the end of the game. And of course, officiating and weird plays didn't go in the Warriors favor, but that's not uncommon in close games - that's why one team loses and another wins. I didn't see anything last night that would indicate the Pelicans were a bad matchup for the Warriors in a first round series. The Brow will have some big games but I don't see how they can stop the Warriors in 4 out of 7.
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two great articles today:

about rondo and his volatile and brilliant past
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12587848/old-questions-surface-new-dallas-mavericks-point-guard-rajon-rondo

jonathan abrams about draymond (this is where rfx got his dray quotes)
http://grantland.com/features/nba-golden-state-warriors-draymond-green-michigan-state-spartans/

i know everyone loooves abrams' articles but tbh he doesn't do that much for me as a writer. as an investigative guy he's unparalleled in how many ppl he gets to comment on record. but his writing isn't that strong i don't think. i think the rondo story above is way better.

btw i decided i dislike tom haberstroh. i think he often takes the wrong lessons out of stats and doesn't back up his stuff w/ enough game analysis. i guess sometimes he finds some interesting stats.

if anyone is looking for another nba podcast the cbs eye on basketball one isn't bad. zach harper hosts it. pretty in depth, a decent amt of inside info, good analysis, etc. but honestly, every nba podcast pales in comparison to the starters, at least in entertainment value. it's incredible that their team is so huge (compared to the avg podcast), but they really make great use out of everyone. it seems ridiculous to have a producer for a podcast, but it does wonders for its listenability.
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But ironically during Dubs game last night against the Pelicans...
yeah dray is cocky as all hell. on par w/ the clips persona i'd say.

btw dray told that pels superfan that the game was a scrimmage and there was no chance NO would win, but after the game he went over and dapped the fan up and took back his comments, which is pretty cool smile.gif
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I actually like NBA Lockdown on ESPN podcast (Amin Elhassan kills it). But yeah, STARTERS is my favourite as well. Wish they would do a Drop every day as opposed to weekly but that might be too much. laugh.gif

Everyone on here knows my disdain for Zach Lowe nowdays which is why I rarely listen to Lowe Post or any BS Report/Bill Don't Lie where he is a guest. He is borderline unlistenable now. Dude comes off like a babbling Woody Allen talking about basketball. Don't even get me started on JalenJacoby which went to shit months ago
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If the Warriors can't beat the Pelicans in a 7 game series, they weren't going to do much damage in the playoffs. Either of the Pelicans and Thunder are good teams, but won't be competing for a championship this year. Given where the Warriors want to be, they have to be able to beat these teams in the first round, regardless of motivation, etc. Last night's game had less to do with respect then with Klay Thompson performing horribly and the Pelicans making a lot of nice plays in the 3rd Quarter when Bogut was sitting with foul trouble and at the end of the game. And of course, officiating and weird plays didn't go in the Warriors favor, but that's not uncommon in close games - that's why one team loses and another wins. I didn't see anything last night that would indicate the Pelicans were a bad matchup for the Warriors in a first round series. The Brow will have some big games but I don't see how they can stop the Warriors in 4 out of 7.



But isn't that the definition of an upset? I mean the top seed should be the better team and beat the lower seed especially when it is 1st vs 8th seed. Technically every team has to be able to beat the other team to win a championship, you are pretty much just stating the obvious. lol8[1].gif I mean saying if the Dubs can't beat the Pelicans then they can't do damage in the playoffs, well yeah because if they can't beat the Pelicans int he first round, there is no more playoffs.

I am not sure many thought the Dubs matched up well against the Mavs when they beat them in 2007, the Mavs was definitely expected to roll over them, betting odds were 14-1. It wasn't until afterwards that articles about it being a bad match up or whatever excuse they could come up with surfaced. At least that's how I recalled it. I am sure there were Warriors fans that said they could pull an upset but those were definitely in the minority.

And man, Bogut may not get into foul trouble but he has a bad history of injuries and dude could go down and the Dubs could be in trouble just like they were last year.


Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying the Pelicans can beat the Dubs in a 7 game series but I just thought it would be funny if it were to happen. Which it could, I don't think it would but I'm not going to be mad to be proven wrong.
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My point is that great teams don't get upset by borderline playoff teams. If the Mavs had beaten the Warriors, they would have lost the next round or the round after that - they were never going to win the championship as they were constructed.

I'm not saying the Warriors can't be upset, I'm saying if the Warriors can be upset by a significantly inferior team (which is really what we're discussing) then the Warriors had no chance against the legitimately good teams in the league. The teams that worry me the most are the Spurs and Memphis. To a much lesser extent the Clippers and Rockets, and I guess Blazers. Those would be challenging matchups for the Warriors (obviously in my opinion less so with the second group), even if the Warriors have a legitimate chance at winning the title. Losing in the first round means the Warriors just weren't that good and had no chance at contending for a title.

Obviously I agree if Bogut goes down the Warriors are in trouble - I've been saying it all year. We could lose anyone other than Bogut and Steph and I would feel we have a puncher's chance but we need those two guys to be at full strength to make a deep run. Compare that with Oklahoma City which would be like us trading Klay, Steph, Bogut and Green for Westbrook. You can't lose to OKC and think that if only you had played a little better you would have had a chance to win the championship because the reality is you would have just been around long enough to get smoked by the next team you play.
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Green being a dick and fueling the feud.
Funny thing is dude acts pretty damn cocky himself pounding his chest every play and acting like he has made a game winning shot all the time and practically taunting the other team. Clips aren't perfect, CP3 is one of the dirtiest player and a flop master, being a stan aside but despite the stares at the refs when they do not get a call I never really see or feel they are that arrogant, more immature.

To be fair the Clips did eliminate them in the playoffs last year and did get farther than them in the playoffs.

I like the Dubs a lot and I love the rivalry but I'm just really starting to hate Green, even more than Bogut. Which is good in some way I guess, get some good ol' rivalry going where the two teams aren't hugging each other and being best friends afterwards?


But ironically during Dubs game last night against the Pelicans...

warriors went to conference semifinals the year before. clips also have only been to conference semi finals



i think the big question come playoff time is whether dray can handle the bigger heavier 4s that can post up. blake, zbo, duncan, lamarcus. he does well enough by fronting, but if they run sets for deeper position and just keep getting the ball to a post dominant 4. i'm not sure what dray (and barnes) can do


warriors have an out of bounds play where they put a man in the corner, everybody else runs a play, but they throw the ball to the man in the corner and he shoots it
Edited by indesertum - 4/8/15 at 1:48pm
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no chance warriors lose to the pels unless curry gets hurt. Over under on # games for that series should be 5.
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I actually like NBA Lockdown on ESPN podcast (Amin Elhassan kills it). But yeah, STARTERS is my favourite as well. Wish they would do a Drop every day as opposed to weekly but that might be too much. laugh.gif

Everyone on here knows my disdain for Zach Lowe nowdays which is why I rarely listen to Lowe Post or any BS Report/Bill Don't Lie where he is a guest. He is borderline unlistenable now. Dude comes off like a babbling Woody Allen talking about basketball. Don't even get me started on JalenJacoby which went to shit months ago
oh shit i'll give that a try, thanks. i didn't realize amin el hassan had a podcast. i don't follow him on twitter cuz he just tweets so damn much...same w/ zach harper and a couple ppl. but i like his stuff.
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I think Green can handle Blake, he can easily be pushed. PJ Tucker manages to keep Blake at bay and I think Green is stronger and also obviously bigger. Aldridge, ZBo and Duncan might be harder but with help from Bogut it's doable. Biggest threat is probably Marc and ZBo as you just can't leave either to help while I think with Blake, Duncan and Aldridge, you can leave the center and afford to double them more if necessary.


@UnFacconable, again I think you are pretty much saying the obvious.

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If the Mavs had beaten the Warriors, they would have lost the next round or the round after that - they were never going to win the championship as they were constructed.

And on hindsight after the Mavs lost to the Dubs, yeah you can now say they probably would have lost in the second round or conference finals, etc... after the fact. Back then, they were the heavy favorites, 4-1 to win in the beginning of the season because they just lost in the Finals the year before then went on to have the best record for the season and improving their wins by 7 from the season prior. I think you'd be crazy to think back then that they were a bad team even after they lost to the Dubs.
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