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post #21271 of 27205
there's no way he would be there in time to take a charge or make a block, if anyone i'd blame bad communication on p'n'r because it seems anderson wanted to switch it and the other player didn't i think and they ended up not switching and anderson was caught guarding nobody

anyways you can't stop perfectly executed basketball plays most of the time..
post #21272 of 27205
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there's no way he would be there in time to take a charge or make a block, if anyone i'd blame bad communication on p'n'r because it seems anderson wanted to switch it and the other player didn't i think and they ended up not switching and anderson was caught guarding nobody

anyways you can't stop perfectly executed basketball plays most of the time..

I never said charge or block. I said "provide some resistance", meaning give LJ more to think about and perhaps force a mistake. To just sit there flat footed like that is just poor awareness, effort and concentration.

There are quite a number of defensive lapses on that play you can pick apart, but indeed it was great execution.
post #21273 of 27205
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Right. A player with a foot on the edge of the paint can't shuffle 2 steps and make a rotation. He must have needed a rest day.

So this must be your definition of "opposite corner", looked like about 6 feet to me. A guy paying attention could have make that rotation easily to at least provide some resistance.


This is so off-base.  Watch it again.  If Joe Johnson shuffles "2 steps" (it would actually be way more than 2 steps, but I'll get to that later) to the other side of the paint to step in front of LeBron, that's a blocking foul, even if Johnson is able to get high enough to be outside of the restricted area circle (and most likely an and-1 with how strong LeBron is).  LeBron is already in the air by the time Johnson can get there if he was actually going to rotate.  And no, that is not 6 feet.  The paint is 16 feet wide in the NBA.  Nice try.

post #21274 of 27205
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I'd rotate off of Shumpert to stop an easy basket from LJ any day.
yes, when you are up 9 pts w/ 40 secs left in the game you should definitely give up a corner 3 instead of a 2 pt dunk.
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And I know it's a complicated word, but learn to spell sequitur. For all your bad jokes, it's hilarious you're doing the very thing you accuse someone else of.
what didnt neo spell this the exact same way you did? am i missing something?? is this performance art???
post #21275 of 27205
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This is so off-base.  Watch it again.  If Joe Johnson shuffles "2 steps" (it would actually be way more than 2 steps, but I'll get to that later) to the other side of the paint to step in front of LeBron, that's a blocking foul, even if Johnson is able to get high enough to be outside of the restricted area circle (and most likely an and-1 with how strong LeBron is).  LeBron is already in the air by the time Johnson can get there if he was actually going to rotate.  And no, that is not 6 feet.  The paint is 16 feet wide in the NBA.  Nice try.

It's only 1/2 of that distance to the basket. I didn't say step in front, or try and draw a foul. It was lazy defense. Battier has no problem closing the distance here (forward to :20) -it sure looked like 2 steps:




Here is the instant an alert and intent defender would realize he was slipping the screen. Johnson has plenty of time to contest.





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yes, when you are up 9 pts w/ 40 secs left in the game you should definitely give up a corner 3 instead of a 2 pt dunk.

3 pointer attempt by a guy shooting 30% vs 2 guaranteed points? I'll give up the attempt.
Edited by idfnl - 3/29/15 at 1:30pm
post #21276 of 27205
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It's only 1/2 of that distance to the basket. It was lazy defense. Battier has no problem closing the distance here (forward to :20) -it sure looked like 2 steps:

 

This is horrible reasoning.  Battier doing something in another game in a completely different situation doesn't mean shit.  LeBron is sprinting full speed at the basket with a lob from K-Love coming in over his head, which resembles nothing in that YouTube vid you posted.  

 

As much as you try to rationalize the distance needed to be covered, Johnson still needs to get to the other side of the basket and above the restricted circle in order to be able to contest that alley-oop.  The only way that's feasible is if Johnson starts rotating as soon as LeBron starts his roll at the elbow.  That's way too early to rotate as it leaves Shumpert wide open to either take a corner 3 or make a baseline cut for the uncontested dunk.

 

It's honestly a moot point because arguing anything with you is an exercise in futility and the Nets won the game anyway, so they must have done something right over the full 48 minutes.

post #21277 of 27205
For the love of god, please stop quoting that POS

Every time he posts, he proves more and more that the only thing he understands about basketball is that the ball goes in the hoop (he probably has trouble comprehending that aspect of the game too, if we're being honest).
post #21278 of 27205
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This is horrible reasoning.  Battier doing something in another game in a completely different situation doesn't mean shit.  LeBron is sprinting full speed at the basket with a lob from K-Love coming in over his head, which resembles nothing in that YouTube vid you posted.  

That's way too early to rotate as it leaves Shumpert wide open to either take a corner 3 or make a baseline cut for the uncontested dunk.

It's a simple rotation, which Battier does, proving it's possible in 2 steps. Obviously it's a different game/situation, pointing that out is a red herring.

Lebron is not at full speed unless he can do that in 1 step. At that moment he didn't know it was a lob, the ball was still in Love's hand. In addition, the court was COMPLETELY empty. Are you really saying a guy shouldn't rotate over to cover those acres of space because it's "too early"? I guess a wide open dunk is not a reason to rotate early. No, the risk of a backdoor or an open 3 trumps that giant expanse of open court, ha ha. Wow.
post #21279 of 27205
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*insert worthless post here*

You're boring.
post #21280 of 27205
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

It's a simple rotation, which Battier does, proving it's possible in 2 steps. Obviously it's a different game/situation, pointing that out is a red herring.

Lebron is not at full speed unless he can do that in 1 step. At that moment he didn't know it was a lob, the ball was still in Love's hand. In addition, the court was COMPLETELY empty. Are you really saying a guy shouldn't rotate over to cover those acres of space because it's "too early"? I guess a wide open dunk is not a reason to rotate early. No, the risk of a backdoor or an open 3 trumps that giant expanse of open court, ha ha. Wow.
Yes, it is too early because Love hasn't gotten rid of the ball yet. If Love sees Johnson stepping across the paint, what do you think he will do? He could still throw the lob, in which case Iso Joe could probably draw the charge, but will more likely end up on a poster on the ass-end of an and-1. Or he could hit Shumpert, either standing in the corner or cutting toward the basket for his own alley-oop. How are any of these outcomes better than what actually happened?

The defense broke down as soon as LeBron slipped the screen for the reasons that indesertum mentioned before. This wasn't Johnson's fault, but keep on living in your fantasy where there's an easy button for every NBA situation that arises.
post #21281 of 27205
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Yes, it is too early because Love hasn't gotten rid of the ball yet. If Love sees Johnson stepping across the paint, what do you think he will do? He could still throw the lob, in which case Iso Joe could probably draw the charge, but will more likely end up on a poster on the ass-end of an and-1. Or he could hit Shumpert, either standing in the corner or cutting toward the basket for his own alley-oop. How are any of these outcomes better than what actually happened?

The defense broke down as soon as LeBron slipped the screen for the reasons that indesertum mentioned before. This wasn't Johnson's fault

Those outcomes are just meaningless speculation. How are any of those outcomes better? Well, what's the FG % of a dunk?

Lebron will dunk the shit out of that ball unless Johnson rotates, which is what happened.

I never said it was Johnson's fault, but it was his job to cover that huge space that opened up and he didn't. You believe giving free a dunk was the best defensive decision, I don't agree.
post #21282 of 27205
I think you're kinda right. But it's not anderson's fault. It's the man guarding shumpert' fault. I didn't realize he was stepping on the paint. I don't think he could've gotten on the other side of the lane above the restricted area to get a charge like diadem said because lebron had a head start and was running at full speed whereas johnson was standing still. he might've been able to force a pass to the corner but JR's man would've rotated over giving JR an open 3.

I think a good defensive team like warriors might just have lebron's man (dray?) switch to kyrie and kyrie' man trails lebron. Also have shumpert's man come help protect lane and everybody rotate to sink and fill


Anyways. My biggest pet peeve is how these highlights show dunks that are usually because defensive lapses or crossovers that happen because the floor is wet and the defender slips or no look passes where the guy looks and then throws a pass while pretending not to look.

I thought the video was great because I didn't think the defense could do much.
post #21283 of 27205
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Those outcomes are just meaningless speculation. How are any of those outcomes better? Well, what's the FG % of a dunk?

Lebron will dunk the shit out of that ball unless Johnson rotates, which is what happened.

 

Not 100%.  Love could've easily missed the lob.  LeBron could've been overly cocky trying to bring that in with one hand instead of going up with both hands.  Is LeBron dunking the shit out of the ball the worst case scenario for the Nets? Absolutely not.  With 40 seconds left and down 9, a 3-pointer would've cut the deficit to a 2-possession gap.  Instead, it's still a 3-possession game.

 

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I never said it was Johnson's fault, but it was his job to cover that huge space that opened up and he didn't.

 

And you know this how?  Were you standing in the huddle when Lionel Hollins was drawing up the defense?  That's speculation on your part, which is funny because you're so keen on calling other people out on it.

 

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I think you're kinda right. But it's not anderson's fault. It's the man guarding shumpert' fault.

 

That definitely looked like horrible off-ball PnR coverage by Anderson.  Looked like he was anticipating the pick and his attention was entirely focused on Kyrie.  Completely lost his man.

post #21284 of 27205
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3 pointer attempt by a guy shooting 30% vs 2 guaranteed points? I'll give up the attempt.
haha this is so wrong it's so funny to me. bruh you're up 9 points, who cares if they get a dunk. then you're only up 7 w/ 40 secs left w/ the ball.

only way you can lose up 9 w/ 40 secs left is if you fuck a ton of shit up and your opponent has a lot of high-variance shit go his way. so the underdog needs to enact as many david strategies as possible. so if cleveland has the choice btwn a guaranteed 2 pts or a 3 pta by a 33% shooter they would be idiotic not to take the 3 pta.
post #21285 of 27205
kawhi is like tony allen if tony allen had shooting, ball handling, and court vision. dude's been so dominant lately
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