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I don't see OKC beating either Memphis or GSW in a 7 game series so they better have a 6th seed or better to move on to the next round.

I was so bummed when Memphis had them on the ropes last year and didn't (couldn't?) finish the job especially with Z-Bo "suspended"
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Wow, I didn't think it was this bad, but Grantland really put this into perspective.  This is absurd...

 

Milwaukee gave up an almost-All Star in this guy...

 

 

For this putrid mess...

 

 

What the flying fuck...

post #20628 of 27825
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It's not really absurd if you look at the bigger picture, it's somewhat misleading to look at the two as a one for one trade.


They never trusted Knight and apparently didn't see him as the future PG of their team, he is also about to get paid next year while MCW is still in his rookie contract, was RotY and has potential. He can't shoot (that can be improved) but he is a better passer and better defender (good length) and just as good (if not better) at finishing in the paint.

Along with that trade comes Plumlee who was decent last year and with Sanders out they needed a big body, he fills out that spot. I am not sure about about Ennis, not even sure I've seen him play but there is supposedly some potential there. Another good thing is they didn't have give up a pick for these guys.
post #20629 of 27825
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Here's a good read on MCWs long term benefits for the Bucks.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2370854-michael-carter-williams-lands-in-perfect-place-with-milwaukee-bucks
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At first glance, the Bucks' motives seem confusing.

Brandon Knight was a fringe All-Star on one of the Eastern Conference's burgeoning squads, averaging 17.8 points, 5.4 assists and 1.6 steals while shooting a career-high 43.5 percent from the field and 40.9 percent from three.

However, Knight's set to become a restricted free agent at season's end, while Carter-Williams is under team control through 2016-17 before he's due a qualifying offer worth roughly $4.4 million.

Aside from the financial considerations, Carter-Williams fits the mold of what head coach Jason Kidd wants in his starting point guard.

Not only does Carter-Williams get to work under the tutelage of Kidd, but he's in a situation that will allow him to develop properly.

Freed from the burden of the league's most notorious tanking tacticians, the reigning Rookie of the Year will be allowed to evolve into the sort of open-court playmaker he's always projected to be.

Carter-Williams' per-game numbers will undoubtedly drop now that he isn't the focal point of Milwaukee's offense, but as we learned throughout his tenure in Philadelphia, gaudy counting stats don't equate to developmental progress or a positive impact.

The key now is that Carter-Williams will get to sit back and play to his strengths while learning from one of the game's most esteemed floor generals.

For starters, that means improving his jump shot. And if there's one head coach qualified to advise Carter-Williams on how to improve his mid-range and three-point stroke, it's Kidd.

Not only did Kidd capture Rookie of the Year honors in 1994-95 while shooting worse than 40 percent from the field, but as Bleacher Report's Kelly Scaletta points out, the two share very similar numbers through their first two seasons:



No wonder Magic Johnson likened the two late Thursday night:
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The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams.

And even though Carter-Williams is one of two players averaging more than 14 shots and converting on worse than 38 percent of them, according to Basketball-Reference.com, Kidd's career arc provides hope that MCW can eventually round into a semi-consistent spot-up and off-the-dribble shooter.

Carter-Williams also has the luxury of playing in an offense that's now competently spaced thanks to shooters like Khris Middleton, Jared Dudley and O.J. Mayo. That means he should finally have breathing room to operate with the ball in his hands.

Where he'll make an impact instantly, though, is on defense.

Through 41 appearances, the Sixers were 7.2 points better per 100 defensive possessions with Carter-Williams on the floor, allowing a paltry 98.5 points per 100 possessions, according to NBA.com. Compare that to Knight, whose presence made the Bucks 4.7 points worse per 100 defensive possessions.

Carter-Williams is also holding opponents to lower field-goal percentages than the league average all over the floor:



With Carter-Williams in at point guard, the Bucks somehow have even more length than they did before. That's terrifying, since Kidd's team already ranks second in defensive efficiency at 99.3 points allowed per 100 possessions and second in turnover ratio (17.0).

Hawks.com's K.L. Chouinard explained how the addition of a menacing 6'6" presence on the wing will allow Milwaukee to get even more creative with its schemes:
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With MCW at point, the Bucks are edging toward that mix of a 6'6" to 6'9" guys (+ Giannis) where they can switch everything on D.


To think that the Bucks could somehow play a more frenetic brand of defense is frightening, but it's not all that surprising given Kidd's preferences, as explained by Grantland's Zach Lowe back in December:
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Kidd is banking on the Bucks’ wing players being long and athletic enough to help inside and rush back out in time to thwart any open shot. Cross-court passes hang in the air awhile, after all.

'If we weren't as long as we are, we probably wouldn't play like this,' Kidd says. 'But with our length, any long passes should give us time to recover.'
With the addition of a physical specimen who will be allowed to scramble and let his athleticism do the talking, there's a lot to like about the future of Milwaukee's defense and Carter-Williams' rising ceiling.

Now on a playoff-bound squad that's only starting to scratch the surface of its potential, Carter-Williams has landed with the one team that may be able to maximize all he has to offer on both ends of the floor.

And while the Bucks will need plenty of time to integrate fully their new point guard, the long-term payoff has the chance to be exponentially greater than the short-term benefits Milwaukee was set to reap with Knight in tow.

The loss of a leading scorer hurts in the immediate future, without question. But Milwaukee owns a 7.5-game lead on the Charlotte Hornets and Miami Heat for the Eastern Conference's No. 6 seed. Upward mobility may be capped for now, but even with a transition occurring, a drastic collapse shouldn't be in the cards given how stingy Milwaukee's defense has been all season.

Beyond this year, Carter-Williams gives Milwaukee a versatile new weapon on a rookie-scale deal. Not only does that mean Kidd will have an extended opportunity to develop his skills, but the Bucks front office will have additional cap space to go chase complementary pieces.

Factor in the return of Jabari Parker from a torn ACL, and there's reason to believe Milwaukee could shake up the Eastern Conference power structure if evolutionary procedures go according to plan.
post #20630 of 27825
I don't buy it, but i'm also not a MCW fan. Only way this makes sense to me is if Knight's already told SVG that he doesn't want to stay
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Only way this makes sense to me is if Knight's already told SVG that he doesn't want to stay

What does SVG and the Pistons have to do with Knight?

They got Reggie Jackson.
post #20632 of 27825
Really hope Bosh isn't out for the year, what terrible luck that would be, for him and the team. W/o him there's no way they're as good as any of the top 5 Eastern teams, I think.
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Sorry, I meant Kidd. Don't know why I typed SVG
post #20634 of 27825
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

I don't buy it, but i'm also not a MCW fan. Only way this makes sense to me is if Knight's already told SVG that he doesn't want to stay

I don't buy it either. Knight is the better player. All the talk of areas MCW can develop, um Knight is 23. There is a story on this move behind the scenes. I thought it was the worst move of the silly season.

2nd worst will be giving Dragic a max deal. A max for a guy averaging 16 and 4? GTFO.
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This clears things up ... ?
post #20636 of 27825
one thing to consider is MCW playing for shitty 76ers team, good to boost ppg not not FG%
post #20637 of 27825
Idfnl with the trolling as usual. Dragic's usage rate went from 25% to 17% plus a big decline minutes from 32 to like 27. can't look at counting stars like that. Have to look at efficiency. He's not gettin max but he's getting paid

My position's changed a little. I said similar things about MCW. His length fits in with bucks defense scheme and they're hoping to improve his shot. It's a big gamble but shots you can fix but you can't add length and height. I didn't think about the kidd connection but mcw's shot percentage will go up right away cuz he'll get better spacing and they have a really good training staff. Dudley was talking about how a week or two of a certain program under an affiliate suddenly eliminated his back and knee issues that were causing his shots to go short with the clippers

Anyways its a big gamble but seems like a reasonable gamble

Do the bucks have more picks?

That really sucks about bosh. I hope he's ok. Was looking forward to dragic bosh pick and roll (remember the dragic frye pick and roll?). Wasn somebody else hospitalized for pulmonary clots earlier?

Teletovic is out for pulmonary embolism and Jerome kersey just passed away from it
Edited by indesertum - 2/20/15 at 2:31pm
post #20638 of 27825
Like many Onion articles, this one is dumb but kind of funny nonetheless:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/76ers-afraid-to-kick-bunch-of-toughlooking-guys-of,38058/
post #20639 of 27825
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

Idfnl with the trolling as usual. Dragic's usage rate went from 25% to 17% plus a big decline minutes from 32 to like 27. can't look at counting stars like that. Have to look at efficiency. He's not gettin max but he's getting paid

That really sucks about bosh. I hope he's ok. Was looking forward to dragic bosh pick and roll (remember the dragic frye pick and roll?). Wasn somebody else hospitalized for pulmonary clots earlier?

Verajao is out for the season from it.

Regarding Dragic, max guys don't normally lose minutes from situational stuff and don't time share. I read MIA is planning to offer him a 5 year max, I'm not trolling, just taking stock of how regularly stupid teams get when paying players. Dragic is fair value at 8 to 9m.
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Got a free Suite at rhw hawks gane
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