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Dragic is definitely good enough to run his own team, but I don't think he's gonna be getting very far in the postseason.  Best case scenario with him, I think, is Chris Paul's situation in New Orleans where he never got out of the 2nd round of the playoffs.


Also, the Pistons are interested in trading for Joe Johnson???  They're presumably willing to give up Brandon Jennings for him.  If you're Billy King, why wouldn't you pull the trigger on this trade?  Brooklyn would accomplish their two biggest goals with this trade, which are to dump salary and get younger.  The only reason I can think of is Jennings' Achilles injury and how that will affect his game in the long run, but he's still young and he'll have plenty of time to bounce back.  He was playing very well for SVG before he went down for the season.  JJ is a proven veteran commodity who can still put up decent numbers, but he doesn't seem like the guy who will get you over the hill and into the playoffs...Seems like a weird move for Van Gundy to make, but waiving J-Smoove worked out for him, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Dragic might be looking greedy for including the lakers or Knicks but it's perfect timing even if he gets a max because 2016 will have that near $90 million cap anyway.

it looks like 2016 could be another lockout year so it's another way to hedge his value...any past contact will probably have to be honored so he can relax a but throughout the lockout.

He's probably not worth max money in 2015 $68 million cap calculations but will be a value in a 2016 $90 million cap
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Carmelo is done for the season.
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No way Pistons trade Jennings. SVG is not an idiot
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

No way Pistons trade Jennings. SVG is not an idiot


I dunno, man, DJ Augustin has been playing really well since Jennings went down.  This article breaks it down.


In other news, Dragic is making it really hard for Phoenix to trade him.  He's basically said he would not sign a long-term deal with any team except for the ones he's handpicked (LAL, NYK, MIA).  Problem is none of these teams have any assets to trade (except for Miami's Hassan Whiteside, but he's basically untouchable...actually he literally is not able to be traded because he signed his contract less than 3 months ago).


Blazers are chasing Denver's Aaron Afflalo pretty hard.  This is probably the most likely trade to happen by the deadline.


Minnesota wants to bring KG back to finish out his career as a mentor on the team he was drafted by.  Not happening as KG will not waive his no-trade clause.  No one willingly goes to Minnesota.

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The Knicks pulling an idfnl!


Knicks now just $2,864,685 over tax line after Stoudemire buyout. One more meaty contract shed and Phil's Knicks (whoa) would be UNDER tax

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) 

February 19, 2015

We should all probably keep our eyes peeled on the New York Knicks.

No, they won't be making any blockbuster moves. That's cute. But according to's Marc Stein, they're less than $3 million away from dipping under the luxury-tax line.

Now, I know what you're thinking: The Knicks? Under the luxury-tax line? No. Freaking. Way.

Yes freaking way. Expect Phil Jackson and friends to be active. If they cannot find unwitting takers for Jose Calderon and/or Andrea Bargnani, a Jason Smith garage sale will be their next best option.

They're going right back over the salary cap in the summer of 2016, though.


What really irks me was that Bargnani trade.  Toronto heisted a 2016 first-rounder out of that trade.  Now, New York is doing everything they can to dump his ass...


EDIT: So much for getting under the cap...


Knicks package for Dragic includes Tim Hardaway Jr. and Jose Calderon

— Chris Broussard (@Chris_Broussard) 

February 19, 2015

So much for the New York Knicks showing restraint when it comes to Goran Dragic.

According to's Chris Broussard, Phil Jackson is baiting the Phoenix Suns with a package built around Tim Hardaway Jr. and Jose Calderon. A couple things on this.

First, the Suns could clearly do better, if not for Dragic being super picky.

Second, this isn't a horrible deal for the Knicks, provided they don't forfeit their 2018 first-round pick. Calderon has become expendable, and Hardaway has looked out of place in the team's half-baked version of the triangle offense. It's preferred the Knicks keep him, since they're light on young talent, but this proposal falls well short of overpaying.


EDIT #2: Ok, this is kinda moronic...



Sources: Brooklyn, OKC could have traction on Brook Lopez talks again -- if Nets believe they can convince Reggie Jackson to sign extension.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) 

February 19, 2015

Gather round, friends. This is something new! Sort of.

The Brooklyn Nets and Oklahoma City Thunder have reignited Brook Lopez talks, according to Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski. Any deal is apparently contingent upon the Nets receiving assurances that Reggie Jackson won't try to leave in restricted free agency this summer.

To sum up: The Nets want to commit more money to another point guard, even though Deron Williams and Jarrett Jack are already on the roster. What could possibly go wrong here?



Hearing cautious optimism emanating from Minneapolis that Kevin Garnett is leaning toward waiving no-trade clause and returning to Minnesota

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) 

February 19, 2015

Right on cue, Marc Stein brings word that Kevin Garnett's return to the Minnesota Timberwolves is becoming more feasible by the second.

Timberwolves fans everywhere may now thank Sam Hinkie's Philadelphia 76ers for helping make this happen.

EDIT #4 


Blazers will send Will Barton, Victor Claver, a future lottery protected 1st and a second-round pick to Denver for Afflalo and Alonzo Gee.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) 

February 19, 2015

As it turns out, the Denver Nuggets weren't asking too much for Arron Afflalo—at least not for the Portland Trail Blazers' tastes, per Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports.

Although the word "perfect" is tossed around far too much these days, Afflalo is an ideal fit for the Blazers' system. He can play small forward, create his own shot, score off the catch and defend. He is Damian Lillard's dream drive-and-kick partner, after Wesley Matthews.

Afflalo's upcoming free agency does give us some other things to consider, though. It's clear the Blazers plan on keeping him; you don't hand over first-round picks, however protected, for partial-season rentals. While Afflalo can totally come off the bench and shimmy between the 2 and 3 spots, he's also an insurance policy for Matthews, who is slated for free agency as well.

Re-signing Afflalo, assuming he declines his player option, could prove cheaper than keeping Matthews. Nothing concrete here, of course; the Blazers could retain both. This is just something to mull over moving forward.


Proposed Nets-Thunder deal is now in OKC's hands, I'm told. Just a two-team deal, w/Lopez and RJax as the primary pieces.

— Howard Beck (@HowardBeck) 

February 19, 2015

Back to the Brooklyn Nets and Oklahoma City Thunder for a minute.

Bleacher Report's Howard Beck says the proposed deal is in the Thunder's hands. It is now on Oklahoma City's general manager, Sam Presti, to decide whether Brooklyn's point guard situation gets even more expensive/confusing.


Denver has agreed to send JaVale McGee to Philadelphia, along with a first-round pick via OKC, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) 

February 19, 2015

The Denver Nuggets are feeling frisky.

JaVale McGee is on his way to the Philadelphia 76ers, according to Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski. The Nuggets will be sending the Sixers a first-round pick as part of the deal. There's probably also a provision that stipulates McGee teach Nerlens Noel and Joel Embiid how to live.


Kings trading Ramon Sessions to Washington for Andre Miller, source tells Yahoo.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) 

February 19, 2015

Adrian Wojnarowsi of Yahoo Sports is on fire right now. His latest has the Washington Wizards flipping Andre Miller to the Sacramento Kings for Ramon Sessions in one of those shrug-worthy deals.

Approaching his 39th birthday, Miller could seek a buyout from the lottery-bound Kings. But there's a stronger chance he stays in Sacramento to play for George Karl, whom he had success under with the Denver Nuggets.

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From 23 million to maybe being waived. Hey, but you gotta pay market value, ha ha. Nobody learned anything from Bynum.


The 76ers acquired JaVale McGee and a first-round pick from the Nuggets on Thursday.

The pick comes from the deal with the Thunder and it's basically a salary dump. McGee will make $23.3 million in 2014-15 and 2015-16, but the 76ers have the cap space. He still has been battling a leg injury and won't play more than minutes in the low 20s. Additionally, McGee on the 76ers is a fun match. Henry Sims likely loses the most playing time while the Nuggets side isn't affected because McGee barely plays. McGee may be waived, so there's no need to add him in fantasy leagues.


In other news, Andre Miller to Sac. Goddam George Karl loves that guy.
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Not sure where you're getting the $23 mil figure from, but it's wrong.  Bargnani is making $11.5 mil this season, the last year of the 5-year, $50 mil extension he signed with Toronto back in 2010.  Say what you will about the contract, but the Raptors were smart enough to flip him for a 2016 first-rounder, Steve Novak and expirings in Marcus Camby and Quentin Richardson.


Some more updates:



Hawks remain among 4-5 playoff teams pursuing trade for Gary Neal, sources say. Neal and coach Mike Budenholzer have history with Spurs.

— Ken Berger (@KBergCBS) 

February 19, 2015

Gary Neal's career has entered a brutal tail spin since leaving the San Antonio Spurs. It's only fitting, then, that he play for the Eastern Conference's Spurs. 

The Atlanta Hawks are in the market for a veteran scorer and have their sights set on Neal, according CBS Sports' Ken Berger. Hawks coach Mike Budenholzer runs an offensive system similar to that of the Spurs, meaning Neal would feel right home. It's just a matter of getting Neal to Atlanta first.

After all, he's apparently a hot commodity for playoff teams these days.


Oklahoma City and Brooklyn are close to completing a trade centered on Brook Lopez and Reggie Jackson, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) 

February 19, 2015

A Brook Lopez trade is nigh, per Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski.

All of you should love this deal for the Oklahoma City Thunder, who would be flipping spare parts (i.e. Kendrick Perkins) and a disgruntled point guard (Reggie Jackson) for a harrowing inside-out scorer.

For the Nets' part, this remains weird. Investing even more money into the point guard position—Jackson will be a restricted free agent this summer—is one thing they shouldn't do so long as Jarrett Jack and Deron Williams are in tow.


As part of broader deal, Nets could send Jarrett Jack to Wizards and Kevin Garnett to Minnesota, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) 

February 19, 2015

Important: The proposed Reggie Jackson trade is starting to make slightly more sense for the Brooklyn Nets.

According to Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski, the Washington Wizards are prepared to take on Jarrett Jack if the Nets acquire Jackson from the Oklahoma City Thunder. Moving Jack helps alleviate the point guard logjam Jackson's arrival would create, thus making the Nets' logic more justifiable.

To be honest, though, the methodology behind acquiring Jackson remains questionable at best should Deron Williams stay put. Jackson is set to hit restricted free agency, so the Nets would be paying two non-All-Star point guards eight figures apiece next season. That is not OK.


Billy King, just stahp.

Edited by diadem - 2/19/15 at 11:23am
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Thread Starter 
Darnell Mayberry @DarnellMayberry · 29m29 minutes ago
Westbrook on what the trade deadline is like in OKC this year: "Normal. Ain't too many people talking about getting traded but one person."

Anthony Slater ‏@anthonyVslater 11m11 minutes ago
Russell Westbrook on Jackson: "You have to determine that if somebody doesn’t want to be here then you can’t make him be here."

Anthony Slater ‏@anthonyVslater 10m10 minutes ago
Russell Westbrook: "We have a chance of winning a championship and if Reggie is not here we still have a chance of winning a championship."
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Would love for OKC to get knocked out of the playoffs by Memphis again
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

Not sure where you're getting the $23 mil figure from, but it's wrong.  Bargnani is making $11.5 mil this season, the last year of the 5-year, $50 mil extension he signed with Toronto back in 2010.  Say what you will about the contract, but the Raptors were smart enough to flip him for a first-rounder (which turns out to be a top-5 pick that might even be a first-overall pick this year depending on how terribly the Knicks finish out the season), Steve Novak and expirings in Marcus Camby and Quentin Richardson.

Looks like a misprint. I think he's owed that over 2 years. Regardless, anything over $150 is a lot at this point.
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My bad, the Raptors actually have New York's 2016 first-rounder, not 2015 first-rounder.  Still better than keeping Bargnani.



ESPN reporting Heat's pitch for Goran Dragic is Norris Cole, Josh McRoberts, Birdman and two first-round picks.

— Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat) 

February 19, 2015

Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun Sentinel has tweeted out the first full recap of what the Miami Heat are offering the Phoenix Suns for Goran Dragic.

Those two first-rounders will catch Phoenix's eye. Beyond that, the Heat do not have much. Norris Cole is a point guard the Suns don't need, Chris Andersen would join a frontcourt rotation that already includes Alex Len, Brandan Wright and Miles Plumlee, and Josh McRoberts remains shelved for the rest of this season.

As for those two first-rounders, they aren't mind-blowing inclusions. The Heat's 2015 first-round pick belongs to the Philadelphia 76ers, meaning they would send Phoenix their selections for 2017 and 2019.

Allow us to now revamp the description of Miami's proposal for brevity's sake: The Heat's offer for Goran Dragic is just cute enough to fail.


Still better than nothing.  Phoenix is probably going to reroute Cole to the Pistons if this trade goes through.



The Thunder are "pushing hard to get Enes," according to a source.

— Jody Genessy (@DJJazzyJody) 

February 19, 2015

Only one NBA player could be holding up the Oklahoma City Thunder accepting the proposed Brook Lopez trade: Enes Kanter. The Utah Jazz's petulant big man is on Oklahoma City's radar, according to the Desert News'Jody Genessy.

Kanter makes sense from a cost-perspective; he's earning $9.7 million less than Lopez. From a playing-defense perspective, the Thunder would be better off with Lopez, who doesn't play much defense.

That's all you need to know about Kanter's defensive ceiling.


Sam Presti still the same old Sam Presti...

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I like Dragic and think he'll at least keep the team semi relevant now that Wade has decided he'll be a part time SG, part time gentleman of leisure

But that offer ain't getting it done.
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Nevertheless, there's still strong belief that OKC will complete the deal with Nets. Decision looming soon.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) 

February 19, 2015

Oh no you don't, Enes Kanter.

Decision time is looming, and Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski says there's a "strong" belief the Oklahoma City Thunder end up with Brook Lopez, not Kanter.

Brooklyn Nets fans have every reason to rejoice and be glad, because as Devin Kharpertian of The Brooklyn Game puts it, "this Nets deal falling apart because of Enes Kanter, whose rights they traded as a pick for Deron Williams, would be nauseatingly poetic."

Perspective, people. Perspective.

I actually want the Nets to keep Lopez, but Billy King is seriously the worst :censored: 



Source: Kevin Garnett agrees to trade, will go home to Minnesota for Thaddeus Young.

— David Aldridge (@daldridgetnt) 

February 19, 2015

We haven't checked in with's David Aldridge all dang day. Let's do that now.

He says Kevin Garnett has waived his no-trade clause and agreed to reunite with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Garnett makes for a great mentor on a very young and promising Timberwolves contingent. He's beloved in Minnesota, and his return should work wonders for the "Kevin Garnett needs to buy the Timberwolves one day movement."

In exchange for Garnett, the Brooklyn Nets will be receiving Thaddeus Young. Assuming the Nets don't make any other moves, their playoff hopes remain intact. Young's future, however, is unclear. He is expected to become a free agent this summer, at which point Brooklyn isn't likely to invest much, if anything, in him.

It remains unclear whether Garnett's return will compel the Timberwolves to also bring back Sam Cassell, Wally Szczerbiak, Latrell Sprewell, Trenton Hassell and Michael Olowokandi. Don't rule out a 10-day contract for J.R. Rider, either.

Whatever happens from here on, know this: Nostalgia has won the NBA trade deadline.

I think this is actually pretty cool.  He's a Hall-of-Famer who deserves to go out on his terms.



Oklahoma City has traded Reggie Jackson to Detroit, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) 

February 19, 2015

Reggie Jackson has been linked to the Brooklyn Nets all day, so naturally he's headed to the Detroit Pistons, according to Yahoo Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski.

This is the transactional equivalent of Stan Van Gundy flexing.

Huh? This legit just came out of left field...


Goran Dragic has been traded to Miami, I'm told

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) 

February 19, 2015

Everything to continues to happen at once.

Marc Stein of reports that Goran Dragic has been traded to the Miami Heat, thus confirming that Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver was, in fact, playing games.

It's a good fit.

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