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post #20116 of 27359
I made a pledge to never bet on NBA again. Too much variability on the spreads and point shaving is so ridiculously easy and undetectable
post #20117 of 27359
How about an instant wealth prop bed: Whiteside gets 14 rebounds in the first 8 minutes of the game? Happened.

Still waiting, Brothersport.
post #20118 of 27359
the whiteside thing is amazing.

are you serious? like you really want me to point out the stupidity in your comments? i thought you were just annoyingly dragging out things to get the last word. i've never seen anyone who intent on highlighting his mistakes before. you're like the anti-chad ford.

i found what you said funny because you mentioned that aron baynes might be the spurs' future solution at PF. aron baynes is an okay end of the bench guy. sometimes he's alright! he clearly isn't the kind of player that could develop into a starter without a massive shift in destiny. that has no chance of happening when you look at his age. therefore, the concept that he might be the solution is laughable. i literally found it funny. like a lot of your opinions.

i hope i wrote that all out slowly enough for you to understand.
post #20119 of 27359
hawks have the best record now

korver better get that all star wild card spot
post #20120 of 27359
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you're like the anti-chad ford.
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i hope i wrote that all out slowly enough for you to understand.

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i found what you said funny because you mentioned that aron baynes might be the spurs' future solution at PF. aron baynes is an okay end of the bench guy. sometimes he's alright! he clearly isn't the kind of player that could develop into a starter without a massive shift in destiny. that has no chance of happening when you look at his age. therefore, the concept that he might be the solution is laughable. i literally found it funny. like a lot of your opinions.

I never said future, just said a solution to nobody coming FA in '16 that could fill the role. And not sure what a massive shift in destiny is. You didn't read what I wrote slowly enough, and it might spare us the shitty jokes if you did.
post #20121 of 27359
Hahaha so dumb. Keep talking if you want Big Sean is terrible but he captures my thoughts on this perfectly
post #20122 of 27359
Here's a story on kawhi and his expanding leadership role w/ the Spurs. But long, but it's got some good quotes from pop and some good kawhi backstory.

http://t.co/jzC80UTYVP
post #20123 of 27359
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aron baynes is 28 lol
what do you mean by this?

Manu makes 7; Diaw just got a new contract for 7.5.

Splitter makes 9.25 (WTF?)

Parker 12.5; Duncan just under 11.

Green 4m; Leonard 3m

If I was Leonard I'd want to get PAID too. Anyone know what his max would be?

I wasn't aware basketball contracts couldn't be restructured.
post #20124 of 27359
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Manu makes 7; Diaw just got a new contract for 7.5.

Splitter makes 9.25 (WTF?)

Parker 12.5; Duncan just under 11.

Green 4m; Leonard 3m

If I was Leonard I'd want to get PAID too. Anyone know what his max would be?

I wasn't aware basketball contracts couldn't be restructured.
Oh yeah, @diadem is right, any contract is permanent, unless there's a player or team option or nonguaranteed year.

is there any new news or speculation on manu or duncan retiring?

splitter's deal seemed kinda high when he signed it, and he's been injured a lot since, so maybe he'll turn it around, but he's also 30 years old and works a lot better next to duncan.

kawhi's eliglble for the post-rookie deal max, which is worth 25% of the cap. if the cap is somewhere around 68M this coming year, that'll be $17M in the 1st year, increasing by 7.5% yearly after that.
post #20125 of 27359
Jalen rips into the resting players bullshit a few times here.

post #20126 of 27359
He hasn't won shit. His opinion is almost as worthless as yours
post #20127 of 27359
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Jalen rips into the resting players bullshit a few times here.

if you have an aging roster strategically resting players seems like a good plan especially if the goal is to have players fresh in the playoffs.

its akin to an organization spending its player's minutes wisely. strategically not spending the maximum amount of minutes on certain players and saving some of those minutes for more useful minutes down the road. tounge.gif
post #20128 of 27359
yoooo this bulls blogger goes ham

http://www.blogabull.com/2015/1/31/7956711/signing-pau-gasol-was-a-mistake
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Pau Gasol was selected as an All Star starter by the fans. This is, honestly, a joke. Pau Gasol is the Bulls fourth best big man. Yes, fourth best. Behind Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, and even rookie Nikola Mirotic. The idea that Gasol was somehow one of the best big men in the entire Eastern Conference is ridiculous. At first glance, it's easy to see why Pau has received this recognition. Pau is averaging 18 points, 12 rebounds, nearly 3 assists, and over 2 blocks in his roughly 35 minutes per game. Those certainly seem like All Star numbers. However, it's pretty likely that no one is putting up emptier stats than Pau Gasol is this season.

Offensively, the Bulls routinely force-feed Gasol isolations on the block, allowing him to post-up while everyone else mostly stands around watching him, not cutting, not moving, nothing, just watching. Pau goes to work down low and if he has a mismatch, he scores with relative ease. Put someone with some defensive skill in the post on Pau, though, and he is almost entirely neutralized. This has happened over and over this season. It happened recently against the Heat in Miami, as Gasol (along with Taj Gibson) was dominated inside by Hassan Whiteside, scoring just 13 points on 16 shots. In the Bulls' last game against the Cavs, with the defensively stout Timofey Mozgov as his primary matchup, Gasol went 4 of 14 from the field and scored just 11 points. In the Bulls' last game against the Washington Wizards' beastly frontcourt Gasol went 4 of 11 from the field and scored just 13 points in 33 minutes. Simply put, too often, Gasol's offense, the place where he actually provides some value, disappears when confronted with a tough matchup. Sure, put Pau on the floor with a depleted Bucks front line and he might drop 46, but against legitimate post defense, Pau does not shine the way a 7 footer with his size and skill should. He gets bullied.

Defensively, Gasol is an absolute trainwreck. Despite his heavy rebound totals, Gasol almost never boxes out anyone. His rebounding totals are primarily the result of his being around the rim for the vast majority of the game and catching whatever misses come off in his immediate vicinity. Pau's gaudy block totals result similarly. Gasol hardly ever leaves the immediate basket area to get out help contain penetration or to properly help rotate. Instead, Gasol hovers near the basket and, due to his height and reach, blocks a few shots here and there at the basket. Sure, there is some value in blocking those shots, but mostly Gasol hurts the defense in the same ways that Carlos Boozer once did (poor rotations, slow feet), without the value that Boozer provided in boxing people out and / or securing defensive rebounds.

The Bulls are still stingy at forcing tough shots, as they rank 3rd in the NBA at opponent effective field goal percentage and they still play defense without fouling. Almost all of their defensive drop off can be traced to the fact that they have fallen to 20th in opponent offensive rebounding rate; in other words, they aren't boxing out on the defensive glass. The rest can be traced to the Bulls being the second worst team in the league at forcing turnovers, falling from their previously middling ranks in that category. I suspect much of this is related to Derrick playing more (he hardly ever gets steals), Joakim not being as frenetic as usual (his steal rate is down from 1.9% last year to 1.2%), and again, Pau replacing Boozer (Carlos had a 1.3% steal rate last year compared to just .5% for Pau).There's also the issue of communication on defense. Say what you will about Boozer's defense, and it was often very bad, but you always heard him out there. When was the last time you heard Pau call out anything defensively? That stuff matters, and I don't think it's a coincidence that so many of the incumbent Bulls have cited a lack of communication as a primary reason for their defensive struggles. All of this is to say that a good percentage of the Bulls drop off defensively this season can be placed on Pau's shoulders.

Looking at ESPN's Real Plus-Minus tells a similar story. Pau is rated worse than Nikola Mirotic and Taj Gibson & outpaces Joakim Noah only slightly (Pau is +1.04 to Noah's +.69 per 100 possessions), but Noah has been significantly limited by his health all year. The Noah we've seen the last few games as he seems to return to health is a significantly better player than Pau.

etc etc.
post #20129 of 27359
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yoooo this bulls blogger goes ham

http://www.blogabull.com/2015/1/31/7956711/signing-pau-gasol-was-a-mistake

Huh, not apparent from what I've seen, which is admittedly a small sample size. Pau is top 10 in offensive rebounds and 4th in blocks. Admittedly this is in part from heavy minutes, but he's top 13 in both block percentage and rebounding percentage - so I have a hard time believing he's just getting these numbers from standing around. He's top 15 in the league in defensive win shares and overall win shares. Sooo, seems like a guy who's worth his $7m a year. It's not like he signed a monster contract.
post #20130 of 27359
Yeah, I can understand where the author is coming from but this goes back to what indesturm and I were talking about. He's still effective but dude is super slow. I'd rather have him than Boozer, that's for sure (not a slight at Carlos because I always kinda found him entertaining at least). Like many Bulls players though, I worry about all these minutes come playoff time.
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