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post #19981 of 27206
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

No, you'd get fired because your starting 5 would look something like this:

1. Sebastian Telfair
2. Sasha Vujacic (he has star appeal because he's married to Maria Sharapova!)
3. Adam Morrison
4. Darko Milicic
5. Kwame Brown


That 5 could beat the Nets.
post #19982 of 27206
Yeah, ok, now you're just downright insane as opposed to before when you were merely delusional. The same Nets that beat Toronto in a playoff series last season? GTFO. Obviously, TOR is better this season and BKN is a good bit worse, but you're talking about legit busts against seasoned vets who were good enough at one point to garner max deals. News flash -- NONE of the 5 players I mentioned are in the NBA anymore.
Edited by diadem - 1/28/15 at 7:39am
post #19983 of 27206
He certainly has quite the imagination. I bet 100 bucks dude has never even held a basketball in his life
post #19984 of 27206
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

Yeah, ok, now you're just downright insane as opposed to before when you were merely delusional. The same Nets that beat Toronto in a playoff series last season? GTFO. Obviously, TOR is better this season and BKN is a good bit worse, but you're talking about legit busts against seasoned vets who were good enough at one point to garner max deals. New flash -- NONE of the 5 players I mentioned are in the NBA anymore.

Learn about jokes. You're awfully serious.
post #19985 of 27206
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lol8[1].gif At an injury to an NBA player potentially making them worthless being exclusive to Deandre Jordan.

And DWill isn't worth max when dude was arguably going head to head with CP3 as the best PG in the league for years at one point there when he was signed to those big bucks.

Then again this dude is Miss Chleo and knows dude would break down like he did even before DWill was drafted.

At some point the trolling just becomes pathetic and extra sad because you just know the guy knows absolutely nothing about basketball.
post #19986 of 27206
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One of the most interesting rules a coach I have seen recently was when the Clips played the Suns. Apparently Hornacek made a team rule that if you get a tech for arguing with the ref meant you are benched the rest of the game. I thought it was crazy that the starting Morris twin got a tech and automatically moved to the bench and never returned then I read a report that it happened to Dragic a few nights before too.
post #19987 of 27206
ugh why do yall bother
post #19988 of 27206

Once you get a star, you probably need to overspend or trade picks to acquire another good player so your star doesn't bolt and/or waste his prime years with a horrible cast.

 

So I don't see how you could ever win a championship unless you got really lucky and drafted 2 stars and had them really good at the same time and had a good coach with good supporting players that you didn't overspend for in free agency (is it possible to get starters/good bench material in free agency WITHOUT overspending)?

post #19989 of 27206
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

And DWill isn't worth max when dude was arguably going head to head with CP3 as the best PG in the league for years at one point there when he was signed to those big bucks.


Deron Williams hasn't played close to a full season since '08. He signed that contract/albatross in '12.
post #19990 of 27206
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And he was a 21pts & 9ast PG when he signed that contract and then only missed 4 games the year he signed.

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Deron Williams hasn't played close to a full season since '08.

Oh you mean, in '08-'09 when he missed 14 games?

In '09-'10 missed 6 games?

In '10-'11 missed 17 games (and some of those missed games were because of his troubles in Utah)?

In '11-'12 he missed 27 games, the most he missed so far in his career to this point but the year after ('12-'13) he missed 4 games?

He missed 18 games last year and missed plenty of games this season but those missed games "since '08" aren't bad, it's not like dude is missing half the season or even a full season. Missing 14, 6, 17, 4 games are playing "close to a full season". You don't call missing 6 games and 4 games NOT close to playing a full season?
post #19991 of 27206
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

And he was a 21pts & 9ast PG when he signed that contract and then only missed 4 games the year he signed.
Oh you mean, in '08-'09 when he missed 14 games?

In '09-'10 missed 6 games?

In '10-'11 missed 17 games (and some of those missed games were because of his troubles in Utah)?

In '11-'12 he missed 27 games, the most he missed so far in his career to this point but the year after ('12-'13) he missed 4 games?

He missed 18 games last year and missed plenty of games this season but those missed games "since '08" aren't bad, it's not like dude is missing half the season. Missing 14, 6, 17, 4 games are playing "close to a full season". You don't call missing 6 games and 4 games NOT close to playing a full season?

That's more than a full season's worth of games. Everyone knew he had bad ankles. You are not considering all the minutes limits he's played under as well. So he had a single season of relative health? So what? That equals a pay day? LOL.

I'd never risk a max deal on a guy with consistent history of injury like him. It was all known in advance and only a stupid GM would make that deal.
post #19992 of 27206
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That's more than a full season's worth of games.

That was not your initial point.


You said...
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Deron Williams hasn't played close to a full season since '08.


Which was wrong because there are seasons he only missed a handful of games and even that one 17 missed games season he was like suspended or got a DNP with disagreements with his coach.


And you're going to count accumulated missed games? I am sure there are plenty out there who missed a seasons worth of games that is still well worth the max. Hell CP3 likely missed more games that Deron. Blake Griffin missed his entire first season, I guess he isn't worth max because dude was hurt, the Clips were insane to keep him. Paul George will miss this whole season, the Pacers are insane to sign him to max!!!! They should have contacted you so you could have told them he was going to break his leg and avoid that contract extension, right?


And everyone knew he had bad ankles? That isn't what is keeping off the court these days. But hey, Klay sprained his ankle how many times his first few years? How many games has he missed already? It happened to often that he became notorious for it so I guess dude is not worth max because of those injuries, right? You would have dumped him long ago if you owned the Dubs?

Oh and Michael Jordan missed practically his whole 2nd season so how dare the Bulls keep the guy! WTF!


And not considered the minutes? He averaged ~38 minutes the last 5 years before the 2012 contract he got and those weren't mostly due to injury, just coaching decisions with his line-ups.


But you aren't going to look at stats? 21pts/9ast, 15pts/13ast, 19pts/10ast, etc... those don't matter to you even if he just misses a game here and there for most of his career in Utah? He was known to have bad ankles even though he rarely missed any games the first 4 years of his career? He missed 4 overall games his first 3 years and I already listed the rest.

All that matter is that he missed some games, even if it's not consistently plenty before his latest big contract, right? Doesn't matter that he hits game winning shots? Or made the team better as a PG that doesn't show in the stat sheets? Or was one of the best PGs before the sudden influx of PGs in the league?


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So he had a single season of relative health? So what? That equals a pay day? LOL.


It's not just a season as I posted above, do you even read? It is most of his season that he has been healthy and that isn't even counting the season before 2008. Point is you were wrong with your initial statement because as usual you are talking out of your ass and are absolutely clueless.

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I'd never risk a max deal on a guy with consistent history of injury like him. It was all known in advance and only a stupid GM would make that deal.

Where was this known? Again by this logic, Griffin, George and Curry would not be in the league today if all the GMs thought the same way you do. MJ himself would not exist!
post #19993 of 27206
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

That's more than a full season's worth of games. Everyone knew he had bad ankles. You are not considering all the minutes limits he's played under as well. So he had a single season of relative health? So what? That equals a pay day? LOL.


I'd never risk a max deal on a guy with consistent history of injury like him. It was all known in advance and only a stupid GM would make that deal.
 
You do realize the Mavs were pursuing him pretty hard that summer, too, right? Both Dallas and Brooklyn offered him max deals. I guess Mark Cuban is stupid, then, never mind the fact that he won a championship in 2011...

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Originally Posted by ballmouse View Post

Once you get a star, you probably need to overspend or trade picks to acquire another good player so your star doesn't bolt and/or waste his prime years with a horrible cast.


So I don't see how you could ever win a championship unless you got really lucky and drafted 2 stars and had them really good at the same time and had a good coach with good supporting players that you didn't overspend for in free agency (is it possible to get starters/good bench material in free agency WITHOUT overspending)?


 
I guess the argument for not overspending would be the 2004 Pistons or this year's Hawks (they're $20 mil under the cap, I think). Honestly, though, so many things have to go right in order for a situation like those to develop that it's basically a pipe dream for most GM's in the league, let alone our resident StyleForum super GM...Detroit had a Hall of Fame coach in Larry Brown and ATL right now has Mike Budenholzer, who was Popovich's assistant for a long time. Joe Dumars pulled off some ridiculous transactions in order to assemble that '04 Detroit roster. I don't remember the exact details (you can probably find them in an old Bill Simmons article), but at least one or two of Dumars' trades were on that Paul Gasol for Kwame Brown level of highway robbery. Basically, it's easier to spend $$$$ to assemble a good roster (cue idfnl chiming in and saying it's not that hard to replicate ATL's formula and that he can do it in a hearbeat if he were given the opportunity).
post #19994 of 27206
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

That was not your initial point.


You said...
Which was wrong because there are seasons he only missed a handful of games and even that one 17 missed games season he was like suspended or got a DNP with disagreements with his coach.


And you're going to count accumulated missed games? I am sure there are plenty out there who missed a seasons worth of games that is still well worth the max. Hell CP3 likely missed more games that Deron. Blake Griffin missed his entire first season, I guess he isn't worth max because dude was hurt, the Clips were insane to keep him. Paul George will miss this whole season, the Pacers are insane to sign him to max!!!! They should have contacted you so you could have told them he was going to break his leg and avoid that contract extension, right?


And everyone knew he had bad ankles? That isn't what is keeping off the court these days. But hey, Klay sprained his ankle how many times his first few years? How many games has he missed already? It happened to often that he became notorious for it so I guess dude is not worth max because of those injuries, right? You would have dumped him long ago if you owned the Dubs?

Oh and Michael Jordan missed practically his whole 2nd season so how dare the Bulls keep the guy! WTF!


And not considered the minutes? He averaged ~38 minutes the last 5 years before the 2012 contract he got and those weren't mostly due to injury, just coaching decisions with his line-ups.


But you aren't going to look at stats? 21pts/9ast, 15pts/13ast, 19pts/10ast, etc... those don't matter to you even if he just misses a game here and there for most of his career in Utah? He was known to have bad ankles even though he rarely missed any games the first 4 years of his career? He missed 4 overall games his first 3 years and I already listed the rest.

All that matter is that he missed some games, even if it's not consistently plenty before his latest big contract, right? Doesn't matter that he hits game winning shots? Or made the team better as a PG that doesn't show in the stat sheets? Or was one of the best PGs before the sudden influx of PGs in the league?
It's not just a season as I posted above, do you even read? It is most of his season that he has been healthy and that isn't even counting the season before 2008. Point is you were wrong with your initial statement because as usual you are talking out of your ass and are absolutely clueless.
Where was this known? Again by this logic, Griffin, George and Curry would not be in the league today if all the GMs thought the same way you do. MJ himself would not exist!

That's long. I remember thinking it was a bad deal when it happened, I would never have given him that contract, and you won't change my mind that very, very few players actually deserve a max.
post #19995 of 27206
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

ugh why do yall bother


I should have listened, I don't know why but the trap is strong!
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