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post #19801 of 27204
Speaking of whom, if thibs gets fired, OKC should totally grab him.
post #19802 of 27204
Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

yeah. its true. i dont understand why thibs and brooks dont manage minutes better

Brooks makes bad decisions with his rotations.

Thibs, ya I gotta agree he does run his guys a bit too hard. Jimmy Butler's shooting is starting to slip, indication #1 he's wearing down a bit. I do think keeping guys below 35 is pretty important for consistency throughout the season. His rotations probably do contribute to stress injuries.

Pop's older guys could play 18 on back to backs.
post #19803 of 27204
Thibs reason for running his guys down is a combination of that "playing every game like it's game 7" defensive mentality and the fact that he doesn't trust his back up guys to carry the team. It's the same reason he barely plays rookies. I'm surprised Mirotic plays as much as he does because he wasn't getting those minutes earlier in the season, I can tell you that much. He basically had no choice when Pau, Noah, AND Taj were out (sometime in late Oct, Nov if I'm not mistaken). It's nuts.
post #19804 of 27204
that's a major failure of long-term planning tho. play those crappy guys during games that don't matter during the season, or the back to backs, and maybe they'll actually be useful by the end of the year. if not, then fine, but at least your elite guys aren't sucking wind in the playoffs every year.
post #19805 of 27204
It really is one of the things I don't like about him. I can just see the pain in his eyes whenever he's forced to play the likes of Snell and McDermott.

And it's ironic how lot of these contenders are resting their players but the Bulls are legit resting their players. Noah, Pau, Taj, Hinrich, Dunleavy, McDermott, and Rose have all sat for extended periods this season. Insane
post #19806 of 27204
I thought they were rested not because the coach thought it was a good idea but because they were actually injured and either couldn't play or would have had a really tough time of playing. I'm not sure if that applies to rose tho
post #19807 of 27204
Yea, that's what I mean. Legit rest = injury rest

Rose actually sat a week or so at the beginning of the season for sprained ankles (legit). I get what you're saying tho. At this point, rest for him could mean anything.
post #19808 of 27204
it's kind of amazing how the Heat blow games in the second half now. it really goes like clockwork. they actually play teams tough for most of the game, despite their considerably weaker roster from the championship days, but shit the bed for 5-15 minutes and then it's over.

and they finally find someone who might end up as a cheap, productive steal of a player - Whiteside - and he promptly gets injured. oh well.
post #19809 of 27204
Thibs is a major league perfectionist. He cringes at the smallest mistake. So it happens that those mistakes emerge from rookies and younger guys, but I think it has more to do with that method of teaching than playing young guys.

It's somewhat detrimental to the teams development. It eliminates the breathers guys need during a game. Yesterday Mirotic made a stupid move on defense, I think he gave up 3 foul shots to Love or something... yank. Back was Gibson after like a minute and a half of rest.

In my expert opinion, Thibs should let the kids play a bit and rather than yank them, let them play thru mistakes.
post #19810 of 27204
Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

it's kind of amazing how the Heat blow games in the second half now. it really goes like clockwork. they actually play teams tough for most of the game, despite their considerably weaker roster from the championship days, but shit the bed for 5-15 minutes and then it's over.

and they finally find someone who might end up as a cheap, productive steal of a player - Whiteside - and he promptly gets injured. oh well.

Tonight, I think it was losing Whiteside. He was really effective. Not having his presence in the 2nd made a difference. I haven't seen the Heat much, so it might be more common, but I saw a different team without his rim protection.
post #19811 of 27204
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Lakers Top 2015 List Of NBA's Most Valuable Teams; Average Franchise Is Now Worth Record $1.1 Billion

What do you get when you combine a massive new $24 billion television contract, a nearly six-year bull market in equities creating tremendous wealth, and cheap credit? You get a massive rise in sports franchise values, with the NBA serving as ground zero for the current boom. The average NBA team is now worth $1.1 billion, 74% more than last year. It is the biggest one-year gain since Forbes began valuing teams in the four major U.S. sports leagues in 1998.

In October the league inked expanded national media deals with Walt Disney DIS -0.69% (ESPN /ABC) and Time Warner TWX +0.39% (TNT) that are worth $930 million a year, nearly three times the current contracts. They will begin with the 2016-17 season. The NBA has bucked the overall decline in ratings across TV with viewership for regular season games up 26% since the 2002-03 season.

With live sports proving one of the few DVR-proof plays (people watch the commercials), local rights deals are surging, too. The Atlanta Hawks, Miami Heat and Sacramento Kings all signed new local TV deals in the last six months with rights fees roughly triple their prior agreements.

There are now 11 NBA teams worth at least $1 billion, by our count, compared to three a year ago. The Los Angeles Lakers lead the way at $2.6 billion, up 93% over last year. The Lakers finished with their second worst record in franchise history at 27-55 last season and are faring even worse this year, but the team has the richest local TV deal in the sport: a 20-year, $4 billion contract with Time Warner that kicked off in 2012. Ratings on SportsNet LA were off 54% last year, but the team still pocketed $125 million for the season from Time Warner. The team’s operating income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) was an NBA-record $104 million in a year when Kobe Bryant missed all but six games. The haul would have been even greater, but the Lakers were forced to contribute $50 million to the NBA’s revenue-sharing pool last season. The Lakers had the NBA’s highest revenue at $293 million, net of revenue sharing.

The value of the New York Knicks shot up 79% to $2.5 billion, ranking the team second overall (the Knicks edged out the Lakers last year). Ratings for Knicks games on MSG fell 29% as the team stumbled to a 37-45 record, but the team still drew the biggest TV audience in the NBA at 163,000 viewers per game on average. The Knicks’ income fell 45% last season after missing the playoffs and incurring a $36 million luxury tax bill.

Rounding out the top five are the Chicago Bulls ($2 billion), Boston Celtics ($1.7 billion) and Los Angeles Clippers ($1.6 billion).

The collective bargaining agreement signed between players and owners in 2011 has nearly eliminated money-losing teams, barring wild spending sprees on players (see Brooklyn Nets). Under the CBA, the players’ share of basketball related income was reduced from 57% to 50% (it is only around 47% of total revenue when you include all arena revenue streams). Revenue sharing to prop up the low revenue teams more than tripled from $55 million under the old CBA to $232 million last year. The result: the Nets were the only NBA team to lose money last season on an operating basis if you include all arena revenue.

The average NBA team had an operating profit of $23.1 million, a tick behind last year’s record tally of $23.7 million. Total leaguewide revenue hit $4.8 billion, or $160 million per team, up 5% from last season.

The NBA continues to spark interest as the U.S. sports league with the most global potential. There were 101 foreign players from 37 countries on opening day rosters this season and while none of them are from Asia, there are 300 million people regularly playing basketball in China, according to the Chinese Basketball Association. The NBA’s international revenues were $350 million last year and have grown at 18% annually. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver wants to launch four franchises in Europe.

One red flag in the NBA’s road to riches is a potential work stoppage that many insiders think is a fait accompli. Michelle Roberts, who was named executive director of the NBA Players Association in July, has dialed up the rhetoric. She called salary caps “un-American,” labeled owners as expendable and laughed at the idea that one-third of NBA teams are still losing money, as Silver claimed in October. The players and owners can both opt out of the current CBA after the 2016-17 season. Many players want to recapture a bigger piece of the pie after getting creamed in the last CBA and witnessing record team sales and TV deals. LeBron James, who is the NBA’s highest-paid player including endorsements, took to Twitter to voice his displeasure in early 2013.

The NBA’s strong fundamentals have led to a flurry of sales activity at increasingly higher multiples of revenue. In 2012, the New Orleans Pelicans and Memphis Grizzlies both sold for less than 3.5 times revenue. The Sacramento Kings were sold a year later for four times revenue, excluding the real estate surrounding the arena. Last year, the Milwaukee Bucks, who arguably have the NBA’s worst arena situation, sold for $550 million, or five times their revenue. It matched the highest multiple of sale for an NBA team, which occurred in 2010 when Ted Leonsis bought the Washington Wizards for $551 million.

And sometimes the numbers just don’t matter. Steve Ballmer offered to buy the Clippers in June last year in a frenzied sales process after the release of audio recordings of former Clippers owner Donald Sterling making racist remarks in his home. At a finance conference this fall, Pierce O’Donnell, the lawyer for Sterling’s wife Shelly, told the audience that Ballmer never looked at the Clippers’ financials before his bid. The former Microsoft MSFT -1.27% CEO originally offered $1.8 billion and was told by Sterling’s people that $2 billion would seal the deal. Ballmer never hesitated. An extra $200 million is a drop in the bucket when your net worth is $22 billion.

We value the Clippers at $1.6 billion, as Ballmer would likely be hard-pressed to get $2 billion on the open market. He paid 14 times the Clippers 2013-14 revenue and the next two highest bids for the team were $1.6 billion and $1.2 billion. While Ballmer likely overpaid, the reality is that franchises in big markets are getting valued at significant premiums to the typical team.

The Atlanta Hawks and Brooklyn Nets are both on the market and will command hefty increases from what their current owners paid. A group led by Bruce Levenson and Michael Gearon bought the Hawks for $189 million in 2004 (Levenson was also caught making racially charged comments last year, which fueled the team going up for bid). The Hawks lost money five straight years before turning a profit last season thanks to a nearly $20 million revenue sharing check. We value the Hawks at an enterprise value of $825 million, 22nd overall in the NBA. Don’t be surprised if you see a reported sale price closer to $1 billion if you include $124 million of bonds tied to the municipally owned arena. A true enterprise value excludes that debt.

The Nets present an even trickier valuation proposition. Mikhail Prokhorov paid $365 million in 2010 for 80% of the team and 45% of the operating rights to its home arena, Barclays Center. The club lost an NBA-record $99 million last season thanks to $206 million in player costs from salaries, benefits and $91 million luxury tax bill, another NBA record. The Barclays Center was the busiest arena in North America in 2013 and the first half of 2014, but the new owners would be on the hook for $50 million annually in bond payments, plus another $15 million to operate the building. Even so, the Nets will be valued like a trophy asset, as the rare sports property put up for auction in the biggest market in the U.S. We value the Nets and the operating lease to Barclays at $1.5 billion, sixth among NBA franchises.

Paying $1.5 billion or more for a business losing $100 million a year doesn’t make a lot of economic sense. But in addition to joining an ultra-exclusive club, new NBA owners also benefit from hefty tax breaks. Owners can deduct the value of the intangible assets in the deal over 15 years after a transaction. This deduction can offset earnings for the NBA franchise or other businesses the owner may control. This part of the U.S. tax code applies to all business and not just sports. But the NBA and sports teams reap significant benefits because 90% or more of the purchase price can typically be deemed an intangible asset with a sports team. It is a major factor as hedge fund titans and billionaires swirl around the Nets in the coming months.
post #19812 of 27204
lol fucking forbes man. they valued the bucks at 405M, they sold for 550. they valued the kings at 300M, they sold for 534M. they valued the clippers at 575M and they sold for 2 billion!

forbes editors: "uhhhhh why don't you add some multipliers to those random calculations you just made up before we print this shit?"

hey, look we were just talking about thibs!

Just for Fun: Which Teams Should Be Trying to Trade for Tom Thibodeau?
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post #19813 of 27204
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NBA says that Rising Stars Challenge on 2/13 will now have 1st & 2nd year players from USA play 1st & 2nd year players from the World. Wouldn’t be surprised if NBA wants All-Star Game to go to USA vs World at some point, but World needs more depth of elite talent to do that.

Not sure I'd be too interested in seeing international player I don't know during the All-Star Weekend. I'd be kind of pissed if I were a rookie or sophomore as for most of those guys, that is the only time they'll be able to participate in an AllStar game.
post #19814 of 27204
Adam Silver knows the big bucks are in China, India, etc. So you can bet there will be a bunch of Jeremy Lins!! Hopefully, they will be as cute.
post #19815 of 27204
jeremy lin is kinda ugly, du

and i'm asian so no racist
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