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Say that again. He was 3/19 the other night.

why does everything have to be "you versus the world". from what ive witnessed on the forum, its like if something negative happens to you its misconstrued as the world (SF trolling members, Kobe, etc) fucking you on purpose
post #19712 of 27236
Larry fucking Sanders suspended for 10 games wooof for violating the drug policy. dude is gonna get so fucking high this weekend "bro its cool ive got the next 2 weeks off"
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why does everything have to be "you versus the world". from what ive witnessed on the forum, its like if something negative happens to you its misconstrued as the world (SF trolling members, Kobe, etc) fucking you on purpose

Don't know what you mean. That makes no sense.
post #19714 of 27236
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Larry fucking Sanders suspended for 10 games wooof

That's another contract I could have told you would sour. Not in this way, but still. So I guess his personal demons are of the Lamar Odom sort.
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having rooted for a small market team for all my basketball life, ive witnessed first hand a lot of meh contracts being signed over the years. partly because as a small market team with a losing history, we need to overpay to get the player. the kings for example are loaded with 2 shit contracts at PF in Jason Thompson and Carl Landry. and the only reason why we signed CL is because Iggy (who at the time was a prized free agent) snubbed us in favor for the warriors.

conversely, kings also have a penchant for attracting players with stagnant careers and who then revive their careers in a sacramento uniform. most recent example is rudy gay and darren collison. and its paid off with Rudy who is making $20 this year but resigned for $13 a year for the next 3
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Don't know what you mean. That makes no sense.

exactly! i dont get it either
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

That's another contract I could have told you would sour. Not in this way, but still. So I guess his personal demons are of the Lamar Odom sort.

id love to see some statistic of the distribution of "bad contracts" among positions. i would hypothesize that big men are the biggest letdowns
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

having rooted for a small market team for all my basketball life, ive witnessed first hand a lot of meh contracts being signed over the years. partly because as a small market team with a losing history, we need to overpay to get the player. the kings for example are loaded with 2 shit contracts at PF in Jason Thompson and Carl Landry. and the only reason why we signed CL is because Iggy (who at the time was a prized free agent) snubbed us in favor for the warriors.

conversely, kings also have a penchant for attracting players with stagnant careers and who then revive their careers in a sacramento uniform. most recent example is rudy gay and darren collison

Webber was another example, and even Vlade to a degree.

Yeah, small markets make it harder to attract FAs, but of that list I mentioned, Lopez, Williams, Perkins, Smith, Bargs, Amare. Only Perkins plays in a smaller market. Bargs was in Tor but NYK accepted his deal. Otherwise, these are big market signings.
post #19719 of 27236
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Not really. I could have told you before the Lopez deal that it was a bad one, same goes for Darren Williams, Perkins, Josh Smith, Bargs. Amare? Anyone thing he deserved to be the 2nd highest paid guy in the league when he inked that deal? This isn't hindsight, I knew these were bad deals from the start, it just got played out.

Current deals that will sour, my guess is Chandler Parsons, Chris Bosh, Rondo, Valanciunas and Hibbert will get overpaid.
 
Oh, yay, this again...by the way, it's DERON Williams...

Also, I love how you use Amare as an example...I think Bill Simmons summed it up best.
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For Knicks fans, he’s simply The Broken-Down Guy We Got That Summer When We Thought We Were Getting LeBron. Which is somewhat of a shame. You can’t blame Amar’e for being overpaid by the Knicks (five years, $100 million); you can’t blame him for being untradable because his contract isn’t insured (at least until it morphs into an expiring next season); you can’t blame his body for breaking down; and you can’t blame him because the Knicks stupidly wasted their amnesty on Chauncey Billups (to sign Tyson Chandler). But those four story lines shadow him everywhere.

Overpaid, uninsured, washed up, can’t amnesty him.

You know what got lost there? Once upon a time, Amar’e Stoudemire was REALLY good. Before he turned 30, he’d already made one first-team All-NBA, four second-team All-NBAs and six All-Star Games. He absolutely gave it to Tim Duncan (in his prime, no less) in the 2005 Western finals, averaging 37 and 10 for five playoff games. His high screens with Nash had to rank among the most unstoppable two-man plays in basketball history. Even that splendid 33-game run (28.2 PPG, 8.9 RPG) during his first Knicks season — starting right after Thanksgiving, as Mike D’Antoni was slowly running him into the ground — had MSG hopping with “M-V-P!” chants. You don’t think of him belonging to that Penny/Walton/Yao/Hill/Webber “What If?” group, but he totally, absolutely, unequivocally belongs. I’m not sure he could have crept into that Barkley/Malone/Dirk/Pettit group of all-time power forwards (the cluster right below Bird and Elgin), but at the very least, he could have circled that neighborhood. Who knows?

Instead, he’s been the NBA’s Worst Contract for two straight years. Next year, he becomes Amar’e Stoudemire’s Expiring Contract. It’s not the way someone that talented should have gone out. Just remember, he didn’t sign himself.

So basically, the guy was putting up huge numbers his first year in New York before D'Antoni gave him way too many minutes and his body broke down, but...aren't you the biggest proponent of that? Remember that whole conversation about "if you're healthy, you play, fuck the long-term consequences, these guys are out there to entertain us and give us a good show"? So you're hating on the guy for not performing up to his contract, but also because he was doing EXACTLY what you wanted him to do and his body couldn't sustain 40+ minutes a night for however many seasons it was because he's not a fucking robot. Ok. You're like that fat crater-faced kid in high school who expected to go to prom with the captain of the cheerleading squad. Completely unrealistic expectations...
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^ do you have a link to the full article? love me some BS
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^ do you have a link to the full article? love me some BS
 
http://grantland.com/features/bill-simmons-breaks-down-the-2014-worst-nba-contracts/
post #19722 of 27236
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

Also, I love how you use Amare as an example...I think Bill Simmons summed it up best.
So basically, the guy was putting up huge numbers his first year in New York before D'Antoni gave him way too many minutes and his body broke down, but...aren't you the biggest proponent of that? Remember that whole conversation about "if you're healthy, you play, fuck the long-term consequences, these guys are out there to entertain us and give us a good show"? So you're hating on the guy for not performing up to his contract, but also because he was doing EXACTLY what you wanted him to do and his body couldn't sustain 40+ minutes a night for however many seasons it was because he's not a fucking robot. Ok. You're like that fat crater-faced kid in high school who expected to go to prom with the captain of the cheerleading squad. Completely unrealistic expectations...

It was obvious Amare was going to break down, there were signals of it in Phx. It was a 5 year deal and he was like 28 at the time. Not a lot of 33 year olds in the league worth that kind of money. I mean, if you want unrealistic expectations, there you go.

I'm not hating on anyone or anything, just wondering why there are constantly so many bad contracts. And it's not because guys play thru injuries, etc. I would put it on bad decision making in the front office. Just because a guy goes thru wear and tear doesn't mean he should get a max deal in return.

Edit, ha ha that Simmons article... point proven. Look at all those monstrosities.
post #19723 of 27236
Love a good, old fashioned idnfl bashing.

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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

Love a good, old fashioned idnfl bashing.

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He's a psychic bro, he knows not to sign players to big contracts beforehand but after the fact so he must have seen this coming?

Then again what is a trolls job but to troll.

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To me, it's not even about that. If he's not bitching about Kobe/LA or his fantasy team, it's how these "guys get paid so much money to play a kid's game and they get to fuck tons of women". Under his breath, you can imagine him muttering, "not fair...not fair...." lol8[1].gif
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