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post #19696 of 27236
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

what else can it mean if all they're getting back is lamb...this isn't like tanking teams selling off their good players for 1st-round picks. if the nets can't get literally anything useful back for lopez, then that means that they can't get anything useful from any other team either, which means that most likely nobody in the league thinks he's a very good player.

just temper your expectations. it's like josh smith, these players fall off cliffs quickly, they're not the same players they were 3 years ago. not to mention he's most likely going to get hurt during the year and then they're stuck w/ $17M of dead weight that might have been used better somewhere else.


It's a salary dump, it's his big contract that deters others from making an offer and those who are competing doesn't have much to give away. Add being injury prone to that. Not sure why this is hard to understand? There are also other reasons a player cannot be traded like being a bad influence or a "cancer" to the team. Just because a team doesn't want someone doesn't only mean they are not a good player.

Trust me, many teams wants him but not for what his contract is worth. Same with Joe Johnson, just because his contract is shit doesn't mean he isn't a good player.

Plenty of overpaid players out there but it doesn't mean they are not good players, just not worth their money but we don't want to dig to the depth of max player contracts again.

When he plays, this season he is 14/6 at 50% fg in 26 min, 29 games so far and mostly coming off the bench. Last season when he played at an average of 31min, he was 20/6 w/ 2 blk at 56% but he only played 17 games. The year before that, 19/7 at 52% w/ 2 blk in 74 games at an average of 32min. He is a good player with an unfortunate injury plague and contract that doesn't match the time he has spent on the hardwood.
post #19697 of 27236
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Looks like if OKC can't get Lopez they'll try for Thaddeus Young. Nets is also trying to get Young if they can so they might just add Minnesota to the mix in that whole ordeal.
post #19698 of 27236
lol ok. please find me the best player who was salary dumped in a trade for not even 2 2nd round picks. i'm not gonna just believe the idea that many teams want lopez. if many teams wanted him then someone would pony up literally any asset to get him. if he was a net overall good player some team would take the risk on a skilled young big man. if he could help them win at all brooklyn would keep him because they don't even own their own picks.

comparing him to joe johnson isnt right; johnson is 7 years older w/ $7M more on his contract.
post #19699 of 27236
I think RFX makes a good point. Lopez might be a decent player but he's not as good as his contract and teams dont want him because they'll have his max contract for this season and next and he's not worth a max contract

Doesn't mean he can't play at all anymore

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I was actually just thinking that. The difference, though, is Lopez is 26 and theoretically still has his most productive years of ball ahead of him. Perkins is 30 and has basically plateaued. Obviously the x-factor is Lopez's health. It would be well worth it for the Nets to give him time to boost his value and prove he can stay on the court, IMO.

Perkins also went to OKC when he was 26 and also had injury issues. In hindsight a pretty terrible deal.
post #19700 of 27236
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It's the norm of course and the teams are trying to get as much as they can (hence Thaddeus Young talk and Nets dismissing Stephenson trade because dude is crazy).

And it looks like it's not just a salary dump, they also want more:
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David Aldridge: Nets want to make moves, obviously, but they also want players back who'll fit w/Hollins's system, & aren't looking to just dump salary



Analysts still believes he is the best scoring center int he league:
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Rumors persist that the Thunder is interesting in trading for Brook Lopez, the 7-foot Brooklyn center who makes $15.7 million and almost that much for podiatrists, since his chronic foot problems are a major concern.

But Lopez is a quality offensive center. He can score in the low post, and I don’t mean score like Steven Adams can score. Lopez, when healthy, might be the best offensive center in the NBA. Well, I’d say Marc Gasol is the best offensive center in the NBA. But Lopez might be the best scoring center in the NBA.



So you think just because only this trade proposal that almost got done is the one being reported means it's the only offer Nets got?

But hey....


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Adrian Wojnarowski: Another team probing on Brook Lopez: The Houston Rockets.

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Ohm Youngmisuk ‏@NotoriousOHM

Hearing Nets continue to talk to teams about Brook Lopez. Sources say Miami has shown a strong interest.

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The Charlotte Hornets have a strong interest in making a deal for Lopez, especially with center Al Jefferson sidelined with an injury, league sources told Yahoo.

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Chris Mannix: The Denver Nuggets are among the teams expressing the most interest in Nets center Brook Lopez, multiple sources tell SI.

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League sources say the Cavs have an interest in both Brooklyn Nets center Brook Lopez (clearly on the market) and Portland Trail Blazers center Robin Lopez (Brook's twin brother). But salaries would make any sort of move involving the Cavs and either Lopez brother unlikely.



And those are just reports from contending teams that caught a little wind, I am sure there are others out there that wasn't reported.


And hey, even the Lakers want in on the fun!

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Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA
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Brooklyn's most serious talks for Brook Lopez are in the West, sources tell Yahoo. Lakers interested, but likely short assets for deal.
post #19701 of 27236
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

Perkins also went to OKC when he was 26 and also had injury issues. In hindsight a pretty terrible deal.
 
Agreed, but there's no Jeff Green-type player involved in this current situation with Lopez (for now), so I'm sticking with the Brook Lopez side of all this trade talk until one materializes.
post #19702 of 27236
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Just to add most recent reports about Lopez interest:

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There had been discussions on Lopez with Charlotte, Denver and the Los Angeles Lakers, but those didn't gain traction, league sources said. Yahoo! Sports

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The Houston Rockets were also probing the Nets on Lopez too, league sources said. The Miami Heat have also remained connected to discussions on Lopez, sources said. The Thunder and Nets were discussing a larger package for the one-time All-Star center that included guard Jeremy Lamb and center Kendrick Perkins from the Thunder, league sources said. Yahoo! Sports
post #19703 of 27236
I do feel like an injured Lopez is better than Perkins and lamb and not too far off in salary

But I would be scared it would be like the pacers when granger left
post #19704 of 27236
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Was gon' say the Rockets should trade Josh Smith for Lopez but they are pretty much paying him less than a mil the rest of this year. lol8[1].gif
post #19705 of 27236
i think this is a lot of bluster and leaking from billy king to try to ramp up interest, a lot of those teams make no sense for brook. but point taken.

anyways if he goes to okc i would be shocked if he ends up playing crunch time in the playoffs, so i think his fit on the team isn't very good. i kind of think the best fit for their team would be a humphries or kaman-type player, esp w/ their contracts. but we'll see.
post #19706 of 27236
I don't get why there are so many bad salaries in the NBA. You'd imagine lessons get learned, but they don't seem to. Even if the argument is that they were worth it when they signed, so many guys seem to drop off a cliff that you wonder why teams keep making these types of bad deals. Let players walk.
post #19707 of 27236
I'm not going to talk about the intelligence of that statement

But hindsight is 20/20
post #19708 of 27236
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

But hindsight is 20/20

Not really. I could have told you before the Lopez deal that it was a bad one, same goes for Darren Williams, Perkins, Josh Smith, Bargs. Amare? Anyone thing he deserved to be the 2nd highest paid guy in the league when he inked that deal? This isn't hindsight, I knew these were bad deals from the start, it just got played out.

Current deals that will sour, my guess is Chandler Parsons, Chris Bosh, Rondo, Valanciunas and Hibbert will get overpaid.
post #19709 of 27236
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

I'm not going to talk about the intelligence of that statement

But hindsight is 20/20

You know who's not averaging 20/20? Kobe.
post #19710 of 27236
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

You know who's not averaging 20/20? Kobe.

Say that again. He was 3/19 the other night.
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