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post #19546 of 27205
All this Jeff Green to Memphis talk is really picking up...
post #19547 of 27205
Yeah and Brandon wright got traded to Suns for a first that'll pretty much turn to two seconds. Why didn't cavs do that?
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Good choices. I think was watching NBA TV when Kenny Smith said that the Pelicans still haven't figures out to put the ball in the Brows hands majority of the time and play through him, he also gave an example about the same way their championship years and that is how they got to play much better with Olajuwon. How long has Monty Williams been the Hornets/Pelicans coach? I think it might be time for a change? They should George Karl perhaps?


Harden would be a great second choice too, I actually wouldn't be surprised if he steals it from Curry when it is all said and done. Kind of forgot about Marc Gasol too, nothing to take away from him but those run of losses once Zach went done kind of slid him down lower of the would be MVPs.

I also want to put Lillard and Lowry in the discussion. I'd add KD to that list again if OKC can make a huge run to get to the top of the West somehow. I wouldn't put CP3 in that list at the moment, he is still arguably the best pure PG out there but I think John Wall is even outplaying him right now.


I am not sure who I'd credit for MVP in Atlanta but someone has to be considered just because of how well they are playing, Teague or Milsap? Hell I'd probably give the whole team the award if I could.


I think Jimmy Butler has MIP locked and the only way Drummond wins is if the Pistons makes a great run and end up in the top 4 of the East. I wanted to initially say if the Pistons makes the playoffs but seeing that they are 12-23 and the 7th and 8th seed are at 16-19 and 12-21, that task seems much easier and it might not impress voters as much as Butler has who is pretty much making up to Rose's lackluster games (which occurs more often than not). Actually there have been talks that dude could be the leagues MVP so I think that pretty much tells you MIP is a lock for him.


Not really sure who else is taking the RoY from Wiggins at this point.


And man the playoffs are going to be intense barring any major injuries.


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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

i really think anthony davis should be considered, but he wont cuz he's playing for a team that wont even make the playoffs

otherwise james harden is the closest to curry

chris paul the perpetually underrated candidate. marc gasol dark horse candidate. theres a lot of chatter for jimmy butler, but as well as he's playing i really dont think so

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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

Whoever it is, I'm just glad all these established/emerging stars are getting consideration or at least in discussion. Agreed with the Anthony Davis nomination which is coming from a Butler supporter. But like JJ Watt, it doesn't help if his team doesn't make the playoffs.

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also as great as playoffs was last season, this season will be even better. kinda drooling at quality playoff games every night. i mean regular season this year is already better than first round maybe even second round playoffs in the past several years

also MIP i think is a toss up between butler and draymond. i think butler will get the nod cuz he scores more, but i think draymond provides more for his team
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Yeah and Brandon wright got traded to Suns for a first that'll pretty much turn to two seconds. Why didn't cavs do that?


Is that official already? I guess the Cavs used up their picks on Mozgov? I felt Wright was a bit underrated when I saw him play a few times with the Mavs this year. Was actually surprised when I heard he wasn't going to be kept.

I think I heard Jameer Nelson is going to be let go as well.
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

All this Jeff Green to Memphis talk is really picking up...


Read that it might be for Prince and first round pick. I haven't been paying much attention to Prince but isn't he overall better just for defensive purposes alone? Would he really help Memphis, feels like he might be like a poormans Gay?


If the deal goes through though, Boston will have 11 first round picks for the next 4 years. They are just collecting picks like the Sixers.
post #19551 of 27205
Damn, this ain't 2003. Draft picks aren't worth jack nowadays imo
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Good choices. I think was watching NBA TV when Kenny Smith said that the Pelicans still haven't figures out to put the ball in the Brows hands majority of the time and play through him, he also gave an example about the same way their championship years and that is how they got to play much better with Olajuwon. How long has Monty Williams been the Hornets/Pelicans coach? I think it might be time for a change? They should George Karl perhaps?


Harden would be a great second choice too, I actually wouldn't be surprised if he steals it from Curry when it is all said and done. Kind of forgot about Marc Gasol too, nothing to take away from him but those run of losses once Zach went done kind of slid him down lower of the would be MVPs.

I also want to put Lillard and Lowry in the discussion. I'd add KD to that list again if OKC can make a huge run to get to the top of the West somehow. I wouldn't put CP3 in that list at the moment, he is still arguably the best pure PG out there but I think John Wall is even outplaying him right now.


I am not sure who I'd credit for MVP in Atlanta but someone has to be considered just because of how well they are playing, Teague or Milsap? Hell I'd probably give the whole team the award if I could.


I think Jimmy Butler has MIP locked and the only way Drummond wins is if the Pistons makes a great run and end up in the top 4 of the East. I wanted to initially say if the Pistons makes the playoffs but seeing that they are 12-23 and the 7th and 8th seed are at 16-19 and 12-21, that task seems much easier and it might not impress voters as much as Butler has who is pretty much making up to Rose's lackluster games (which occurs more often than not). Actually there have been talks that dude could be the leagues MVP so I think that pretty much tells you MIP is a lock for him.


Not really sure who else is taking the RoY from Wiggins at this point.


And man the playoffs are going to be intense barring any major injuries.


I feel like as well as wall is playing CP3 is still better. I feel like he's able to find more efficient shots better.

Also not andre Drummond from Pistons but draymond green from the Warriors.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Is that official already? I guess the Cavs used up their picks on Mozgov? I felt Wright was a bit underrated when I saw him play a few times with the Mavs this year. Was actually surprised when I heard he wasn't going to be kept.

I think I heard Jameer Nelson is going to be let go as well.

Wright was really as the roll man in the spread out mavs offense and cavs pretty much have the same team. Wright would have been a better addition than mozgov IMO and cheaper.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Read that it might be for Prince and first round pick. I haven't been paying much attention to Prince but isn't he overall better just for defensive purposes alone? Would he really help Memphis, feels like he might be like a poormans Gay?


If the deal goes through though, Boston will have 11 first round picks for the next 4 years. They are just collecting picks like the Sixers.

I like green. More efficient than gay when he was with Grizzlies.
post #19553 of 27205
Rare off night for Butler. We must have jinxed it. marchal.gif
post #19554 of 27205
Just read Roy Tarpley passed away at age 50. Dude had some skilz.
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yeah sad i was a big fan of his as a kid. his suspension really fucked up my strat-o-matic basketball season
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

i really think anthony davis should be considered, but he wont cuz he's playing for a team that wont even make the playoffs

otherwise james harden is the closest to curry

chris paul the perpetually underrated candidate. marc gasol dark horse candidate. theres a lot of chatter for jimmy butler, but as well as he's playing i really dont think so

chris paul is only having a good season in the stats listings, this is the worst season I've ever seen him play and his teammates hate playing with him.
post #19557 of 27205
kinda hard to argue against (or, really, for) "statistically he's the same, but this is the worst season for him ever"

but ok

i'll admit i've only watched 4 or 5 clips games this year. but everything besides clips defense and uptick in griffin's mid range seemed pretty normal

so this happened today

also i feel like jr smith and love only play well when the teams the play for lose
post #19558 of 27205
yall forgetting klay for mip. right up there w/ dray and butler, he can do a ton more this year.

mirotic was getting some dark horse roy talk but no way that happens now, right? haven't watched any minny games but wiggins is lighting it recently.
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TL;DR version is basically as accomplished as Kobe is; in 10-20 years, he won't be spoken in the same regard as the Dirks, Duncans, Magics
i didn't take that away from the piece, although it would be difficult for me to summarize. to me it was a lot more about how kobe's mindset is expressed through his game, and how that stays the same while his body and team are breaking down. there was a bunch about how we perceive him through that light as well, but it seemed to be more present-day than describing his future legacy
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I never thought I'd say this but I feel bad for Kobe. He should just retire. He's still got the ability to be great at times and score in bunches, but he's a dinosaur and can't contribute to a winning team. It's not clear to me that he would make any playoff team better at this point because he doesn't know how to be a complementary player.

I believe that his top priority is winning, I just don't think he knows any other way to get there other than the way he's always done it. I would have a lot more respect for him if he just said - I gave it everything I had and there isn't a championship in my future so I'm retiring.
this is pretty related to that piece up there smile.gif
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Kobe is alienating because he doesn’t care about dignity. If preserving his sense of who and what he is means ending his career loudly and embarrassingly, he will be as loud and embarrassing as he can.
post #19559 of 27205
Klay should definitely be considered.

(Favorite article of the new year http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=golden-state-warriors&id=199&src=desktop)

But I feel like he was borderline if not outright deserving of an all star bid last year. The leap he made this year is big but last year draymond was kinda nobody until playoffs and butler was a decent role player. Butler should definitely be all star and I hope draymond at least gets a ton of bids.
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

i didn't take that away from the piece, although it would be difficult for me to summarize. to me it was a lot more about how kobe's mindset is expressed through his game, and how that stays the same while his body and team are breaking down. there was a bunch about how we perceive him through that light as well, but it seemed to be more present-day than describing his future legacy

It was an interesting and timely piece for sure but not very thought-provoking as everyone nowadays is well aware that he is a nutcase at this point. People were just more willing to overlook du's faults because of the chips. I just don't see how our present-day perception of him will change in a decade or so. That's just my opinion of course.
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