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Right, I was just making a dig at how bad Boozer is and how he was still picked up off the amnesty wire by the Lakers. There is a market for J-Smoove. I don't envision him hitting free agency.
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I'd be surprised if someone claims him off the waivers with 2 years and 27mil left on his contract. Those who has the cap space to sign him are either struggling or rebuilding and won't make the playoffs anyways so I don't see a point in anyone claiming him. I don't really pay attention much but very few are claimed on waivers because they'd have to commit to the players remaining contract.

Plus the Lakers got Boozer for $3m iirc, he is serviceable enough for that amount.
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a lot of people have joked that the only way to get Josh Smith to stop shooting ridiculous threes and long twos was to threaten to cut him. i guess that didn't work either
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somebody explain to me how waivers and amnesties work. from what i understand lakers put in a bid for boozer while he was on the waiver wires and were genuinely surprised when they got him for so little. if you get people off the wire you have to pay their whole contract, but once they clear the wire you pay whatever you can and the team that released the player makes up the difference?
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Essentially, yes to what you said. Boozer was amnestied, not waived, so his situation was more of a bidding war. The Josh Smith situation until Wednesday is that a team has to pay him his currently salary if they want to claim him off the waivers right now. I believe only Sixers can sign him outright at this moment, and they have no reason to do so. After he clears the waivers on Wednesday, any team can offer him money and Pistons would pay the difference. At the end of the day, Smith would choose which teams he goes with, which is almost for sure a contender. 

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Ok, I was a bit optimistic about Josh Smith getting claimed off waivers. I just hope he doesn't completely destroy the team chemistry of whatever team he ends up signing with...
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^ ^ ^

Pretty much.

In addition, if a team pick him up from the waiver, he has no choice but to play for that team.

Also, someone correct me if I am wrong but waived players continue to be part of the old teams salary cap while amnestied players do not. So for Boozer, Lakers got him for $3m but the Bulls has to pay the difference in his contract but that amount doesn't count as part of their salary cap. While in Josh Smiths case, his contract (or whatever remainder they have to pay off) will count toward Detroits salary cap until it ends.
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^ ^ ^

Pretty much.

In addition, if a team pick him up from the waiver, he has no choice but to play for that team.

Also, someone correct me if I am wrong but waived players continue to be part of the old teams salary cap while amnestied players do not. So for Boozer, Lakers got him for $3m but the Bulls has to pay the difference in his contract but that amount doesn't count as part of their salary cap. While in Josh Smiths case, his contract (or whatever remainder they have to pay off) will count toward Detroits salary cap until it ends.

i've been reading that the reason detroit waived him was that it wouldnt count towards detroits salary cap using something called the stretch provision

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pistons-waive-josh-smith-in-shocking-move-172559666.html


so who decides where josh smith lands? if pistons make up the difference between what one team offers him and what they guaranteed him, it doesn't matter what the offer is right? so then i dont understand why the rockets being able to offer more money than other teams matters at all cuz in the end josh smith is still getting $26 million total
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josh smith is still getting $26 million
Quoted just because.
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i've been reading that the reason detroit waived him was that it wouldnt count towards detroits salary cap using something called the stretch provision

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pistons-waive-josh-smith-in-shocking-move-172559666.html


so who decides where josh smith lands? if pistons make up the difference between what one team offers him and what they guaranteed him, it doesn't matter what the offer is right? so then i dont understand why the rockets being able to offer more money than other teams matters at all cuz in the end josh smith is still getting $26 million total


That is interesting, need to read up on stretch provision more.


After Smith clear waivers, he pretty much decides where he wants to go.

I guess the advantage Rockets have with the biannual exception is that Smith could get paid more and it won't count toward the salary cap? So in essence I guess that means he will get more than $26m if the Rockets chooses to offer him that, not much more as I think the limit is like $1.5m or something? But hey, I ain't going to say no an extra mil especially since the Rockets are contenders right now anyways. Again someone correct me on that if I got it wrong.
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Kyle Lowry has been the only thing stopping the Bulls from blowing this game open in the 4th. Hope there will be a few gifs of his baskets on the web after the game.

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even tho the pistons stretched josh smith that movie still counts on their cap. the hit is stretched over 5 years (2*#yrsleft+1).

so the set-off:
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If another team signs a player who has cleared waivers, the player's original team is allowed to reduce the amount of money it still owes the player (and lower their team salary) by a commensurate amount. This is called the right of set-off. This is true if the player signs with any professional team -- it does not have to be an NBA team. The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead).

For example, suppose a fifth-year player is waived with one guaranteed season remaining on his contract for $5 million. If this player signs a $1 million contract with another team for the 2011-12 season, his original team gets to set off $1 million minus $762,195 (the minimum salary for a one-year veteran in 2011-12), divided by two, or $118,902. The team is still responsible for paying $4,881,098 of the original $5 million. Note that between his prior team and new team the player will earn a combined $5,881,098, which was more than he earned prior to being waived.
so josh smith is making $13.5M this year and the 1-year vet min this year is $816k.

apparently the rockets are one of the few teams who can offer more than the 11-year vet min ($1.45M). They got the biannual player exception left over, which is $2.077M. so if they sign him, the pistons would have to pay 13.5-([2.077-1.45]/2) = $13.19M. Smith would get paid the $2.077M from Houston plus this $13.19M from Detroit = $15.26M

the Heat can also sign him using the Disabled Player Exception they just got for McBob going down. that's 50% of either the disabled player's salary or the non-taxpayer mid-level exception. mcbob signed for the midlevel, so this is the same: $2.6525M. 13.5-(2.6525-1.45)/2 = $15.55M

basically everybody else competitive can only offer the minimum. i think that even goes for the kings.

i have no idea how the set-off works once the 1-year contract he signs this year expires and he signs a bigger one next year.

source: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm, #65-ish

i wonder if he's going to want a starting role. a place like the clippers makes a crazy amount of sense, but he'd obviously be a bench player there. the mavs want him, but he screws up their O more than rondo already has, and he would have to come off the bench there too. you can see why the heat would want him. the rockets makes some sense, but are they giving up on terrence jones/motiejunas? they aren't average starters yet, but they've been probably comparable to what josh smith has done in detroit, and they're way younger and cheaper.

disclaimer: my math above may be wrong.
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oh it counts against the cap, but they're stretching out over 5 years instead of 2

good explanation


so basically josh smith is going to make like an extra $2 million because he's so fucking bad but not so bad nobody wants him

gg
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