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Isiah was a cunt. He probably sucked off the bad boys in the locker room so they would accept him
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kobe baby kobe
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Kings head coach Mike Malone has been fired.

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You pretty much said nothing. Dirk wasn't top 5 when Dallas won it. As mentioned, Detroit. Even the bad boys era... don't even know if Isiah was in that realm.

^Isiah thomas was otherworldly in those runs. isiah can even be argued to be the best point guard ever (if you compare respective primes).


you're posting the exceptions to the rule. remember SA only won one championship in the post duncan [mvp caliber level] era. sure you can win one chip with a great cohesive team.

Also you have to remember that Dirk was probably the best player on earth during that 2011 playoff run. Just like Tony Parker was probably one of the top 5 players on earth during their 2013 run (even though they didn't win it). Kevin garnett was arguably a top 5 player in 2008.

in the nba champions usually have a super duper star on the team. its just the nature of the game. maybe its changing with the emergence of smart GM/Coaches (like houston/Memphis) but you still need the tools... even daryl morey has admitted you need a top 5 offensive talent to anchor any championship aspirations.
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The idea that you suck to win indicates a change is warranted. It's not in the spirit of sport. The reason teams intentionally suck is to get a top draft choice.

With relegation, you eliminate the suck to win dynamic. The risk of getting dropped from the top flight would make most every game competitive. For me, that means lots more interesting games throughout the season, and all kinds of new dynamics end of season when teams on the bubble are fighting like crazy to stay up.

Alternatively, you can abandon the draft or rotate draft picks. It wouldn't be as interesting a change as relegation, but would help. Just get away from this model that you benefit from sucking.
I said prove it and you post opinion.

Point being that MJ had mad skilz? OK, debate settled.
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Kings head coach Mike Malone has been fired.


Damn and they were doing so good too. Is it pretty much due to Cousins being out?

He was probably already ready to be axed like Mchale is/was then the Rockets started playing great and now he will likely stay the whole year.
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I said prove it and you post opinion.

Can you prove those are opinions?
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You are obviously trolling about relegation. You can't have a draft and the promotion/relegation system and you would basically have to give up on the idea of any parity. It's not clear to me that relegation is successful in Europe, but at least there there is a multi-national market for talent so they couldn't really have a draft anyway.

You also need some remote level of parity between the leagues otherwise it's nonsensical. We would relegate the Sixers to the D league, they would go undefeated in the D league and would be back in the NBA next year as an even worse team because they didn't have a draft pick. You would have to blow up all of American pro basketball and create so much infrastructure (including physical infrastructure, because you can't take a team with a small gym in Santa Cruz that holds 5k and say "now you're an NBA team."
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You are obviously trolling about relegation. You can't have a draft and the promotion/relegation system and you would basically have to give up on the idea of any parity. It's not clear to me that relegation is successful in Europe, but at least there there is a multi-national market for talent so they couldn't really have a draft anyway.

You also need some remote level of parity between the leagues otherwise it's nonsensical. We would relegate the Sixers to the D league, they would go undefeated in the D league and would be back in the NBA next year as an even worse team because they didn't have a draft pick. You would have to blow up all of American pro basketball and create so much infrastructure (including physical infrastructure, because you can't take a team with a small gym in Santa Cruz that holds 5k and say "now you're an NBA team."

The D league isn't even a separate league, all the teams are owned directly by NBA teams and used for their own purposes. They're not there to be competitive in their own right. Promoting one makes no sense at all. Imagine you get Spurs-A and Spurs-B in the same league, with both getting draft picks and owned by the same people. It'd be absurd. Makes as much sense as promoting the NCAA champ to the NBA for a year.

It works to the extent that it does it Europe because all those teams existed before the current league structure emerged, and the teams are independent. All the American sports leagues are structured totally differently, and the teams and leagues are completely enmeshed. Hell, even college sports are semi-official feeders for the pro leagues in the US.
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Yeah, but there is nothing other than the D league. Unless idfnl is suggesting we promote Kentucky or Kansas. Promotion/relegation doesn't work in a vacuum - you need a pool of teams for it to make any sense. I could see it working in independent minor league baseball divisions but who cares.
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The D league isn't even a separate league, all the teams are owned directly by NBA teams and used for their own purposes. They're not there to be competitive in their own right. Promoting one makes no sense at all. Imagine you get Spurs-A and Spurs-B in the same league, with both getting draft picks and owned by the same people. It'd be absurd. Makes as much sense as promoting the NCAA champ to the NBA for a year.

It works to the extent that it does it Europe because all those teams existed before the current league structure emerged, and the teams are independent. All the American sports leagues are structured totally differently, and the teams and leagues are completely enmeshed. Hell, even college sports are semi-official feeders for the pro leagues in the US.
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The D league isn't even a separate league, all the teams are owned directly by NBA teams and used for their own purposes. They're not there to be competitive in their own right. Promoting one makes no sense at all. Imagine you get Spurs-A and Spurs-B in the same league, with both getting draft picks and owned by the same people. It'd be absurd. Makes as much sense as promoting the NCAA champ to the NBA for a year.

It works to the extent that it does it Europe because all those teams existed before the current league structure emerged, and the teams are independent. All the American sports leagues are structured totally differently, and the teams and leagues are completely enmeshed. Hell, even college sports are semi-official feeders for the pro leagues in the US.

Not true. For example the Barcelona B team can never enter the top flight (or they both can't be there together) - can't remember which. You're right that early on a relegated team would outperform the league, but over time parody would emerge. In the Premiership, part of the fun is watching promoted teams survive and strengthen.

Definitely not trolling. The ideas behind a draft would have to change, and so would a host of other imbedded structures.

I think the clear benefit is very competitive regular season games.
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over time parody would emerge

Already happened

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1st quarter

LA down 24 - 4
Charlotte down 20 - 0

Lakers baby lakers
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Not true. For example the Barcelona B team can never enter the top flight (or they both can't be there together) - can't remember which. You're right that early on a relegated team would outperform the league, but over time parody would emerge. In the Premiership, part of the fun is watching promoted teams survive and strengthen.

Ok, so all the teams can that can promoted are independently owned. There aren't any independent lower league teams in basketball. You'd have to scratch the whole system and start over, and there are a lot of interests in there that have no interest in changing the system.

(lol parody)


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so would a host of other imbedded structures.

I think the clear benefit is very competitive regular season games.

Probably the "easiest" way would be cut the size of the league. Create a lower league by eliminating the bottom 10 teams (or just half the East hah) and then relegate/promote some number every year.

This is obviously never going to happen, but if you wanted to do it and had unlimited power....kind of an interesting thought experiment.
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