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BROWWWW

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Jrue, dish the rock feed the brow!!!
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love the grunt of exertation. dont hear it enough anymore outside of a womans tennis court
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

This is why Lin will never be a star, he just sits there speaking in dumb generalities about the team, effort and making plays.
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He's on tv with a mic in his face after a shitty loss and it's not like he's been here awhile and is settled in comfortably with the media. It seems a stretch to link a lame interview to his future success. Looks to me like he is trying to be diplomatic when he doesn't really want to talk or have anything to say (srsly what could anyone say at that point?) and trying not to completely throw Kobe under the bus publicly during an interview.


btw… Clippers don't look that good either.
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Originally Posted by Kid Nickels View Post

He's on tv with a mic in his face after a shitty loss and it's not like he's been here awhile and is settled in comfortably with the media. It seems a stretch to link a lame interview to his future success. Looks to me like he is trying to be diplomatic when he doesn't really want to talk or have anything to say (srsly what could anyone say at that point?) and trying not to completely throw Kobe under the bus publicly during an interview.


btw… Clippers don't look that good either.


He has that TV and mic in his face daily. He could actually say something useful to help the fans understand the situation. There is nothing wrong him talking about his experience. He could have said "I only had 2 shots tonight, we're going to need to look at the film and figure out why, I thought I had some open looks. Whatever the cause, I should have had more than 2 shots".
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kobe's numbers seem unconscionable. but the games i've watched, what tends to happen is he starts slow, but as it becomes obvious nothing else and nobody else is worth a sh&t, he starts to shoot more. by the end of the game, he's jacking every time he touches the ball. they are a team that with very limited ability that is actually playing below expectations. nothing is going right and there doesn't seem to be a way to turn it around. sad finish to a great career.
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

kobe's numbers seem unconscionable. but the games i've watched, what tends to happen is he starts slow, but as it becomes obvious nothing else and nobody else is worth a sh&t, he starts to shoot more. by the end of the game, he's jacking every time he touches the ball. they are a team that with very limited ability that is actually playing below expectations. nothing is going right and there doesn't seem to be a way to turn it around. sad finish to a great career.

He could just ask for a trade. No reason he can't help a contender for a few years. Maybe it was something unthinkable 6 months ago, but not now.

You're right about one thing, he just decided to take over, but it's a chicken and egg. I've been in pickup games where a guy decides to dominate the ball, you just kinda quit playing. Also, when a guy dribbles all the time, it triggers you to stand around as well.

Unfortunately, the fantasy boon I'm getting right now probably won't last, something will give in this situation eventually.
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

He has that TV and mic in his face daily. He could actually say something useful to help the fans understand the situation.

Please don't get the idea I'm arguing here… just pointing out my view as I hear what you're saying, but…. it's just that they are f'ing terrible because of injuries, Kobe's contract, lack of consistency and significant changes the last couple years. I don't think any real basketball fans require an explanation, it's a clusterfuck plain and simple. Seriously, seriously clustered and seriously, seriously fucked.
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Lakers will get the #1 pick and everything will be SHOWTIME again.

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

kobe's numbers seem unconscionable. but the games i've watched, what tends to happen is he starts slow, but as it becomes obvious nothing else and nobody else is worth a sh&t, he starts to shoot more. by the end of the game, he's jacking every time he touches the ball. they are a team that with very limited ability that is actually playing below expectations. nothing is going right and there doesn't seem to be a way to turn it around. sad finish to a great career.


No one is going to listen to you, all they see are the numbers. Like last game, Wesley Johnson chuck up 11 shots and all of them were terrible choices (2-11), I am sure you noticed that. Boozer is so inconsistent, one night he would be 80% then the next he would be 20%. Kobe always intends to pass and play team ball in the beginning but he soon realizes that no one is scoring (Johnson and Boozer missing shots, Hill can't handle drop passes, Lin hesitant to shoot or when he drives he turns the ball over) so Kobe goes to Kobeball. It doesn't help that their defense are simply atrocious and when they get buried, the team seemingly gives up. That's why in that one game, the only way they got close was Kobe got hot and everyone else got energized.

Byron Scott is just simply a terrible coach, no offense set-ups at all and absolutely no defense structure and even worse are the talent surrounding Kobe (3 of their bench players was playing on the D-League the night before the Dubs game then Kelly got hurt on his first drive and didn't return). You just really have to watch the whole season of the Lakers so far just to see how bad the team is and after you watch the game and see why Kobe is chucking up those shots, I am not even convinced anymore that the team is better without Kobe. Before I can ride with that as I see the ball moving better when Kobe is out but that isn't happening under Scott, at least with D'Antoni they run and gun and actually utilize the 3-point line, this team is just bad on offense and Scott just refuses accept 3s as part of the game, dude needs to get in with the time.

Before it gets to circle jerk shit again, Kobe is definitely part of the problem, not saying he is immune but at this point, there really is nothing else he could do but chuck up shots and try to win it himself and there are instances they could have won a few games but their defense is just not there, it's either a free lay-up or an open 3. Kobe is also part of the problem on defense though, he just isn't that quick on his step anymore and he almost always leaves his man open behind the arc. Then the coaching staff being extra terrible... blah blah blah.

Only positive is they find a gem in the draft next year.




As for the disappointing Clips, I hate to say it but they could use a CP3 injury right now. Their offensive sets are always on him and Griffin isn't driving or posting up much anymore. Their offense mainly contains CP3 walking down the ball, Blake screens, CP3 runs and passes to Griffin then Blake either hesitates to shoot a jumpshot or passes it back outside to CP3 and they do several variations of that but by the end of it there are less than 10 second left and they are screwed without nothing to show for. Or another version is Reddick runs through screens and gets the ball and shoots a jumpshot and if he gets hot then good but when he is cold like he has been the whole season so far then they do not score. Really disappointed at their offensive set right now, it's like watching VDN again and their defense isn't keeping them in the game much anymore either. It's like their passion and soul just left them with Sterling, it's like WTF is going on! How can you be this bad!?!?!?!


At least they have a good chance to turn it around unlike the Lakers.
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Originally Posted by Kid Nickels View Post

Please don't get the idea I'm arguing here… just pointing out my view as I hear what you're saying, but…. it's just that they are f'ing terrible because of injuries, Kobe's contract, lack of consistency and significant changes the last couple years. I don't think any real basketball fans require an explanation, it's a clusterfuck plain and simple. Seriously, seriously clustered and seriously, seriously fucked.

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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

No one is going to listen to you, all they see are the numbers. Like last game, Wesley Johnson chuck up 11 shots and all of them were terrible choices (2-11), I am sure you noticed that. Boozer is so inconsistent, one night he would be 80% then the next he would be 20%. Kobe always intends to pass and play team ball in the beginning but he soon realizes that no one is scoring (Johnson and Boozer missing shots, Hill can't handle drop passes, Lin hesitant to shoot or when he drives he turns the ball over) so Kobe goes to Kobeball. It doesn't help that their defense are simply atrocious and when they get buried, the team seemingly gives up. That's why in that one game, the only way they got close was Kobe got hot and everyone else got energized.

truth is somewhere in between, i think. the lakers have gone from one of the best-run organizations in the nba to one of the worst. it's easy to put it all on jimmy buss, but i think jeannie has to take responsibility at this point as well. there simply isn't a positive in sight. they have no talent, they have only a couple of players who actually work, and they have an aging superstar who doesn't know how to moderate (and can't do what he once could).

but at least idfnl's fantasy team is safe. nod[1].gif
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

This is why Lin will never be a star, he just sits there speaking in dumb generalities about the team, effort and making plays.


imo that was a good interview
Lin will never be a star because he doesn't have skills/talent of a star not because he speaks in generalities:D
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post


truth is somewhere in between, i think. the lakers have gone from one of the best-run organizations in the nba to one of the worst. it's easy to put it all on jimmy buss, but i think jeannie has to take responsibility at this point as well. there simply isn't a positive in sight. they have no talent, they have only a couple of players who actually work, and they have an aging superstar who doesn't know how to moderate (and can't do what he once could).


I think the Lakers just took a big shot that simply backfired. First the CP3 acquisition that would have changed everything and would have made them a title contender today. Then the Nash acquisition with Howard seemed great while still keeping Pau but then the injury plague. Had Howard and Nash been at least in close to 100% that year, they would have gotten deep into the playoffs and chances are Howard would have stayed.

Hell just imagine if Stern didn't cockblock the CP3 trade, Howard would have followed and that team would be a top contender today.

Now the Lakers are stuck with a bunch of crappy players because of bad giant contracts and plans that just didn't gone to fruition so they have to reset but that isn't going to be easy moving contracts around and convincing players to come to LA and play with Kobe. I know all these players say it's not Kobe why they aren't in LA but I think we all know he plays a role in that too, dude is just not good with people.
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no doubt things would have been a lot different if either of their gambles had paid off. but the thing jerry buss always did so well was protect the downside. it's a shame (maybe worse) when the gamble for cp3 didn't pay off; it's a shame when they handled the dwight howard situation so badly; it's a shame that they never got even a couple solid games out of nash. any of those by themselves would have been a gamble that didn't pay; when you lump all four of them (plus losing gasol, plus losing ariza, etc.) in a three-year stretch, that's when you have to think about putting the cards down and walking away from the table (not that there's a chanc ein hell of that happening ... what else are they going to do?)
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Yup, everything that could go wrong pretty much did for the Lakers including that achilles injury on Kobe at the end o the season 2 years ago (not that they could have passed the Spurs anyways).




Also Pierce on todays drafts...

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In his 16th year, Paul Pierce is considered one of the elder statesmen in the NBA, but while he's a respected champion now, the man nicknamed The Truth says he's not even sure a team would draft him were he coming out of college in this day and age.

"I probably wouldn't have got drafted." Pierce said on "The Dan Patrick Show."

"A lot of stuff is based on potential, or I probably would've went later in the first round or something."

Pierce, 37, says at this point, draft picks are being selected not on collegiate accolades but on potential.

"I think a lot of these young talented kids are just rated on their pure length and athleticism, but really no basketball IQ, really no footwork, really can't shoot the ball," Pierce said. "When they look at [a] guy and they say he has potential, he's fast, he has long arms, he can jump. And then he gets out there and can't throw a rock in the ocean, or he can't run a play. Or his basketball IQ is low. I think those things sometimes get overrated. A lot of kids get drafted just on that."

Pierce, now with the Washington Wizards, spent three years at Kansas before entering the 1998 draft, where he slipped to the Boston Celtics with the 10th overall pick.

While Pierce admits he likely wouldn't get selected that high now, he also said he's not yet impressed by this year's crop of draft picks.

"This draft class was supposed to be one of the great draft classes of this era, and as you see, I really don't see nobody in this class really standing out so far, even though it's only been 10 games," Pierce told the radio show. "Unlike the LeBron [James] class where you had a number of franchise guys, you just kinda knew that class was going to be great, but this class has been dubbed the same thing based off potential, and we haven't seen much of it."
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