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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

^Ha, I love Barkley because he's such an idiot. Assuming for the sake of argument that we take Rose's comments how they're being portrayed, who's more stupid? Barkley, who goes home to a big mansion but has trouble getting up the stairs, or Rose if he retires early, who can go home to a big mansion and play soccer easily and painlessly in the yard with his kids?

And yeah, if Rose doesn't pursue as many more millions as he possibly can no matter what the cost to his health, he's dissing maids . ..

Dissing maids is sort of a red herring. Barkley has always been a bit of a donkey in my eyes, but in this respect I understand and pretty much agree with his point.

Rose is basically saying he doesn't care about achievement because the sacrifice it may take is inconvenient to him. This attitude smacks of entitlement, which is the norm within the millennial generation. So to the ears of fellow millennials, Rose's comments make perfect sense, but to the older generation like Barkley, this is not the way they treated their relationship with professional ball.

This kind of thinking is nothing new. The NBA has always had amazing physical specimens that should have been world beaters like Kwame Brown, Jay Williams (for being stupid), Jonathan Bender, Sam Bowie, and on and on. There are a large % of these guys that take the first contract and think they can sit back. It takes a certain will at the NBA level, and Rose is basically saying he is loaded and doesn't need to do much more if it means playing with a bit of pain.

It's his right, but you can't blame people for feeling like he takes the easy road.
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I can empathize with Derrick. This is a game, after all, and all it really is is a form of entertainment. Someone's physical well-being shouldn't be sacrificed just so a team can have a higher number under the W column. I mean, look at Brandon Roy.
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

I can empathize with Derrick. This is a game, after all, and all it really is is a form of entertainment. Someone's physical well-being shouldn't be sacrificed just so a team can have a higher number under the W column. I mean, look at Brandon Roy.

Then play rec ball. When you're paid like that, you play hurt. Or your a millennial and you whine about how it's not easy.
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It's scary how easy LeBron can drive and score every possession when the game is on the line.

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Nothing like a little purple and gold roadkill...

Kobe should just retire already.

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I'd argue kobe makes them worse. Looking forward to lakers vs phillies
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Rose is basically saying he doesn't care about achievement because the sacrifice it may take is inconvenient to him. This attitude smacks of entitlement, which is the norm within the millennial generation. So to the ears of fellow millennials, Rose's comments make perfect sense, but to the older generation like Barkley, this is not the way they treated their relationship with professional ball.
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It's his right, but you can't blame people for feeling like he takes the easy road.

problem I have with that is that many are convinced Rose should give a flying fuck about their opinion about his health. He would be smart to have a cake and eat it, I would want that for myself so why would I judge him? I know some fans would love to see him on wheelchair after his career is over, maybe they would make them feel better, they be like "yeah maybe Rose made all his monies but look he can't enjoy it there's some justice in the world!"
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Rose should do what rose do

He's not saying he doesn't care about winning a championship. Just that he wants to take care of his body better

82 games with 20 odd back to back games is ridiculous to begin with. Look at all the damn injuries that happen. Just because a player makes millions of dollars a game doesn't mean he has to play all out every night until he gets injured and actually can't play any more. Resting is good for everybody if it means less injuries.

Can't believe all the idiots hating on rose for this.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Can they even afford Love after giving Klay max? I thought they could only offer one and not to both and that is why they waited to give Klay a contract?

They didn't offer klay max. They offered the same amount of money as max but not the actual max. Max is a percentage of the cap. They offered klay 17.5 mill/year instead so if the cap turns out to be crazy high klay isn't getting like 25 milk a year

So they could potentially afford love
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Indescertum... me and you this week in fantasy, care to sweeten the pot a bit with a crisp 20?

Wow. Douche request considering I have 3 guys injured and you have more games than me to begin with.



I thought SVG would be the savior of the pistons but so far they been bad. Their shooters injured so lane is still cramped but offense is terrible and considering their personnel defense should be amazing

Also looks like SVG wants drum to be more like Howard and develop a post game. He only has like two moves tho (that terrible hook shot and the drop step towards baseline) and he insists on finishing with right only. He has the body for it. I guess pistons aren't going anywhere so it's not too bad to try and develop during the season. I thought this season would be his breakout season but for some reason he keeps fouling so much it's limiting his minutes. His per 36 is great so the beast is in there somewhere lurking amidst that terrible post up game

Also really liking OKC. Without westbrook and durant brooks actually has to come up with plays and it's been really good for player development. They just have to make it to the finals. I hope they don't make the same mistake with Reggie jackson as they did with harden. Read somewhere Reggie jackson still shops at tj maxx and rents a cheap apartment. Good on him

I like how everybody gets injured so perry jones steps up. Then jones gets injured and jackson and lamb steps up. Now if only ibaka can carry an offense and Sebastian Telfair gets out of the way
Edited by indesertum - 11/15/14 at 2:41am
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

problem I have with that is that many are convinced Rose should give a flying fuck about their opinion about his health. He would be smart to have a cake and eat it, I would want that for myself so why would I judge him? I know some fans would love to see him on wheelchair after his career is over, maybe they would make them feel better, they be like "yeah maybe Rose made all his monies but look he can't enjoy it there's some justice in the world!"

Not sure there are many fans that would love to see him in a wheelchair.

My take was not about jealousy, it was about the mentality of his generation, and that has nothing to do with a few bitter fans.

Kobe, as much as I disdain him, played sick yesterday (and was 1-14), it represents a big difference in mentality between the mindset of a players that rest with a sniffle and a guy that feels like he has to go.

I actually really like Rose, and the issue people have with his attitude is not simple bitterness.

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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

Wow. Douche request considering I have 3 guys injured and you have more games than me to begin with.

If I knew you had 3 guys out, I would agree, but I had no idea when I made the suggestion.


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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

82 games with 20 odd back to back games is ridiculous to begin with.

Right dude, poor babies. It reminds me of that bit from the Sopranos where Phil Leotardo shows up at a Jersey construction site. Vito quips how New York guys show up when Jersey tomatoes come in season. Phil, owed money, replies "fuck the tomatoes, I'll take the 'scarole".

These guys have the easiest lives on the planet but yet can't be asked to play 20 back to backs. 40 days in a 365 day year. Guess what bro... I play back to backs 5 days a week, every week, and I don't get $20 mil for it. So yeah, I'll play the back to backs and take the 'scarole. I can see that some here would rather eat the tomatoes because its too hard.
Edited by idfnl - 11/15/14 at 4:52am
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So Rose should live up to some retarded social paradigm instead of focusing on what he intrinsically wants? (that's assuming that he is 'soft' which is debatable anyways)
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Does he get paid for the games he sits? If he is healthy, he should play.
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

So Rose should live up to some retarded social paradigm instead of focusing on what he intrinsically wants? (that's assuming that he is 'soft' which is debatable anyways)

To certain generations of thinking it may be retarded.

If you intrinsically want to make sure you are able bodied as an old man, fine, quit and live off the millions you already have. But to collect all the money and basically admit you're not willing to sacrifice your body for the cause is not the mentality of a guy that wants it badly enough.

Speaking for myself, I'd gladly take on his situation and make the sacrifice. Barkley gets it. He lives an ultra privileged life and accepts the sacrifices he made to have it. Perhaps the days where an athlete makes a sacrifice for all that wealth are over and I'm the one that doesn't get it.

This reminds me of tanking. You can call it smart, but people pay money to sit in those seats. In both cases, Rose and tanking, the responsibility to the fans that pay you is missing.

This partly sums it up for me:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/derrick-rose-the-sixers-and-when-keeping-it-real-goes-wrong/

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Originally Posted by ter1413 View Post

Does he get paid for the games he sits? If he is healthy, he should play.


No way... he collects all those millions. If he is worried about his body as an old man, then yeah, get paid for the games you actually play.
Edited by idfnl - 11/15/14 at 5:48am
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Then play rec ball. When you're paid like that, you play hurt. Or your a millennial and you whine about how it's not easy.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Pro sports leagues are not (and should not be) meat grinders that chew up athlete's bodies and spit them back out just for the enjoyment of fans. I don't care how much money the players are making. Expecting players to give their bodies for the entertainment of fans makes this little better than the bloodsport of gladiator fighting in the Roman coliseum. These players are human, too. The amount of money they make doesn't change that.

FWIW, I do think Rose could have worded what he said better. If he said he was resting his body for the playoff stretch or something along those lines instead of saying stuff about life after basketball, he wouldn't be getting nearly as much backlash. Just look at what Pop does with his big three during the regular season. They don't get a lot of hate for that.
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