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that picture you posted isn't because the lakers bench was bad (and my point was lakers bench isn't completely terrible). it was because everybody was injured (and injuries happen to good players too). i feel like you're trying to defend kobe's decisions by blaming everybody else on the lakers, but kobe isn't the solution. he's a big part of the problem. he's the one making decisions on court


Ugh, you just want to argue just to argue, eh?

None in that post with the pic had anything to do with Kobe at all, he wasn't even playing because he was hurt so how is that defending Kobe?


I was saying those players excelled and scored because there was no one on the team to score. They got playing time and got some stats up but that was it. Hell even the others like couldn't excel well enough with all the pt they can handle. Those players aren't starters.

Maybe you should take your own advice and actually read the posts than just seeing what you want to see. Look again!
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i think you guys are underrating the lakers personnel. ed davis was a quality pick up. xavier henry and nick young had pretty good seasons last year. i think it's more of a coaching issue than anything.


Henry and Swaggy P is a result of being on an empty team.. I mean this was the Lakers bench last year and this wasn't on some halftime break.





Henry is athletic but that is really it, he would be buried in the bench in any other team. And all jest aside, Swaggy P is a a poor mans Jamal Crawford, he is a good scorer off the bench when you need it but I wouldn't say he is starter quality the way he plays. The Lakers also had that d-league pg that average closed to double digit in assist just because the Lakers are so depleted but no one is going out of their way to sign him just because he was just good on a very bad team.




As for defending Kobe, not in the whole post lol8[1].gif The hell are you reading? I simply stated the situations and reason why Kobe wouldn't pass, I never said it was the right decision that Kobe doesn't pass or "these are the reasons why Kobe should shoot, not pass".

I never said it wasn't Kobes fault the other player doesn't get the ball, I clearly said he passes it at times and when he does the guy misses or the pass simply isn't clear cut (Kobe is good but he isn't Nash or Stockton or CP3 that can pass great). His passes also results in turnovers (Kobe has done some cross court passes that has resulted in a turnover or deflected ball). I also said him taking forced shots happens more often that is hoped, I don't know how you could construe that as only defending Kobe. I've also said he gets frustrated and take his own shots instead, that is a bash on Kobe not a compliment.

Obviously that isn't the case and there are successes but obviously not consistent enough.


I definitely acknowledged your post about the triangle offense and I said they aren't running it anymore. Or about simply making a pass here and there, it isn't always as easy especially when you are being smothered and he really should but he doesn't. Nobody is denying Kobe taking shots when others are open, nobody. I already mentioned the turnovers or failed passes, this happens more often than not. You act like this is simply ignored but it isn't, Kobe just doesn't pass it or he couldn't, whatever your take on it but it doesn't always work.

I also mentioned personell and coaching that the players have to be told where to go and yes even remind Kobe to pass at times and where to pass to. When you got 2-3 players all up on your jaw, it is hard to see where the open player is especially when you are spinning and pivoting with arms waving all around and you're trying to take care of the rock. The coach has to tell where the other players to go and tell Kobe where they will be so he can just throw there on instinct.

Byron definitely has a say on who to hire, he determines the final roster outside of a few who has contracts but even those who are already contracted can just be bought out or cut if they Scott really wanted to. These guys have camps and summer leagues, he did not choose to put 3-point shooters in the team. It is also well documented that he doesn't like 3s and find it as some reporters report it "a luxury than a necessity".


Kelly and Henry haven't been playing, Kellys first game was last night and he played 7 minutes. Henry has been less than 100% percent and has played 3 games out of 5 while averaging 10 minutes. You act like these two have been there with Kobe this whole season so far, hell Kobe didn't even get to play with them much last year. Yes an open shot is more efficient than Kobe forcing a shot, nobody is contending this, where the hell did anyone disagree with that?

Again, you really sound like you just want to argue just to argue and you accuse others of not reading when you yourself doesn't seem to be reading yourself.
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Lakers starting unit is mediocre; Jordan, Boozer, Lin are middle/lower tier starters on their respective postitions and Wesley Johnson should not be starting in the NBA, bench is subpar has to be one of the worst now in the NBA. Not much Kobe can do this team is not far away from these pre-Gasol Lakers teams.

Also what is Byron Scott supposed to do with this roster? Talent wins games.. Lakers have very little above average NBA talent, so do the math. If at least they had defensive minded team around Kobe they could maybe crack the playoffs, but they can't defend too so good luck winning games.
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Jesus, how fast do indesertum and RFX type??!
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Also what is Byron Scott supposed to do with this roster? Talent wins games.. Lakers have very little above average NBA talent, so do the math. If at least they had defensive minded team around Kobe they could maybe crack the playoffs, but they can't defend too so good luck winning games.

That was the biggest factor last night. They got back being down by 20? Yeah Kobe went nuts with his shots but it invigorated the team and that's how they got bad and then what happens? They stopped playing defense.



Laker defense at it's finest! lol8[1].gif



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I'm still waiting for brothersport and idnfl to chime in. This page will be the Great Wall of Text
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Let's forget about the Lakers, they aren't going anywhere.

Anyone want to explain what is going on in Cleveland? I know it's still too early but 1-2 start isn't what most expected.


Also seems weird that the Dubs are #1 in the West at 3-0 while Memphis is #2 at 4-0 and Houstons #3 at 5-0. Then Portlands #4 at 2-2 while those #5-8 are all 3-1.


JR Smith also got suspended for 1 game for hitting someone in the groin. Funny thing is that the guy who ended up on the floor is the one who got a foul on JR in that sequence.

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The Lakeshow won't be denied


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lol8[1].gif Magic trollin'
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JR Smith also got suspended for 1 game for hitting someone in the groin. Funny thing is that the guy who ended up on the floor is the one who got a foul on JR in that sequence.

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masterful, at first i thought he flopped, well done JR
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I just watched that nut tap about fifteen times and now I can't stop laughing and I'm still at work.

Thanks for that.
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The Lakeshow won't be denied


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I don't think I agree with that 2nd tweet, but the through the first 5 games Kobe has made some plays that should be in his career highlights. A lot of people thought Kobe would be over the hill (and maybe he is considering his FG %), but at least he's surprised me with the athleticism he still has.

 

The Lakers haven't been favorites in any of the games, so I think they're meeting everyone's expectations of them so far. They have a pretty tough schedule this month (Grizzlies x2, Spurs, Mavs, Warriors, Rockets, Hornets, Pelicans, Hawks, Nuggets, T'Wolves, Raptors). Optimistically, they beat the Hornets, Hawks, Nuggets, and T'Wolves. But if they are under 2 wins by December, then they're definitely under-performing.

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lol8[1].gif Magic trollin'

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that was ugly. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
watched just the end of it. really sad to watch him go into beast mode and there was no beast. or at least a lot less of one. he's just too old to carry the whole team on his back anymore. and the lakers played absolutely no defense. they'd work 20 seconds on offense and wind up with kobe jacking up something nearly impossible (and hitting more than you might have thought possible), and then give up a 10-second layup at the other end. it was like phoenix was running drills. what's worse, is they play charlotte this weekend and then start a truly hellacious run.
who knows how bad this team could be?

Agreed all around. It was pretty bad. Gonna be a looooooong year in LA…. for Lakers fans. wink.gif
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Agreed all around. It was pretty bad. Gonna be a looooooong year in LA…. for Lakers fans. wink.gif

I could only hope the suffering lasts a year. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

masterful, at first i thought he flopped, well done JR

I doesn't look intentional to me. Still lol.

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Jesus, how fast do indesertum and RFX type??!

As fast as Brothersport looks up analytics. We have our very own Grantland around here.
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I'm still waiting for brothersport and idnfl to chime in. This page will be the Great Wall of Text
still editing my pages-long response in word. but seriously what's the point of debating kobe w/ kobe stans

didn't watch the cle-por game but it sounds like cleveland is playing just like they did last year, except bron has also been straight up bad this year. apparently he's hitting <50% of his shots near the rim, whereas he was at like 80% last year. also he's doing bargnani things on defense.
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lots of ppl saying he looks like he's injured, but windhorst is adamant he's not. i'd say that it's really not worth worrying about (2011 heat started 9-8, of course), but it's entirely possible Skinny Bron's lost a lot of his powers.
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