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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

looks like nash is out for the season. not unexpected, but still a shame. he was a great player in his prime.

that's sad I love this guy frown.gif

anyway was this posted here?;
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

This is true for anyone who's gotten involved in a brawl on the court (or anywhere else, I supposed). Getting restrained just leaves your guard open to taking a few shots without being able to defend yourself
I remember when that happened on The White Shadow.
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

i feel like media prefers scorer to defenders.

You think? smile.gif
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

that's sad I love this guy frown.gif

anyway was this posted here?;

"I don't think I'm, like, Charles Barkley fat. I'm more like Shaq fat."
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post #18213 of 27226
Baron Davis was a lot of fun. One of my favorite sports fan moments was celebrating the series clinching victory over the Mavericks in 2007. Even though that team wasn't really going anywhere, it was a fun couple of years.
post #18214 of 27226
Uh. Oh. Sources say Kawhi wants max deal.
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why uh.oh? he is a max deal guy for sure. if he was playing 35+ minutes instead of the measly 29 he played last year, he stats would undoubtedly reflect max deal value. he is the best guy on that team (and healthiest)
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Yeah, we had a similar conversation about Kawhi a few months back whether he was legit or just a product of the system. He's proven himself two years in a row in crucial times (and hasn't even hit his prime). He is the future.
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I still don't see Kawhi as that one franchise player you get to lead the team. I'm just not convinced he can excel outside of Pops system, yet. Like put him in place of Wade or Lebron or hell put him in Kobes shoes with the Lakers' current line-up and I don't think he would do too well.
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I don't either. Doesn't have the offensive skill to put the team on his back when needed
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So basically, if he can't drag a team of no names to the Finals ala LeBron or A.I., the guy isn't worth max? smh.......
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

I still don't see Kawhi as that one franchise player you get to lead the team. I'm just not convinced he can excel outside of Pops system, yet. Like put him in place of Wade or Lebron or hell put him in Kobes shoes with the Lakers' current line-up and I don't think he would do too well.

huh? if youre going to compare every player that is slated for a max deal to hall of famers like lebron,wade and kobe then youve already made this a difficult argument. the fact is that only one team is offering him a max contract and thats the same team he led through the playoffs and wound up winning mvp for. isnt that the only system he needs to thrive in?

i would argue that the system if anything is holding him back from developing into the selfish, max player, that we typically associate with high contracts
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That wasn't even what was said, I just used Lebron, Wade and Kobe as an example because those are guys who tends to be the one star in their teams at some point in their career. It's hard to say he won't excelt if replaces Paul George because George has a very good teammates and I could see him shine in Indiana.


But I would say that no, he isn't worth max and to be honest very few in the league are worth max contracts. Too many damn NBA players are overpaid.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

That wasn't even what was said, I just used Lebron, Wade and Kobe as an example because those are guys who tends to be the one star in their teams at some point in their career. It's hard to say he won't excelt if replaces Paul George because George has a very good teammates and I could see him shine in Indiana.


But I would say that no, he isn't worth max and to be honest very few in the league are worth max contracts. Too many damn NBA players are overpaid.

well i agree with you 100% here. unfortunately there are only like 7-8 super great players that are worth $35-40 million a year, and 30 teams that want a max player like that. lebron and durant are $40 million/year type players. fortunately you dont need to have the best players to win in this league. a good team and coach, along with the right system, and the best player for your system is good if you want a championship. i hope spurs and kawhi get this contract settled. theyve already proven they can give lots of money to less than proven players (tiaggo), now i want to see them pay their MVP
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I wonder how different people's opinions would be if Kawhi was out making commercials for Gatorade, Nike, KIA, etc. talking about how great he is. dozingoff.gif
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

huh? if youre going to compare every player that is slated for a max deal to hall of famers like lebron,wade and kobe then youve already made this a difficult argument. the fact is that only one team is offering him a max contract and thats the same team he led through the playoffs and wound up winning mvp for. isnt that the only system he needs to thrive in?


Well that is a complete different story from "he is asking for max" now is it?

Now if Spurs is offering him that and willing to pay him max because he excels there, then fine.

But if we are talking about him a max contract in the league, a superstar that can lead you to a championship or to a playoffs and give you a chance, then no he isn't worth max contract.


And yes you do somewhat have to compare these guys to the best in the game because you pay him the same amount as those guys then he better be able to deliver. If he is only going to excel because Pop is in the bench, Parker is there to operate the court and ol' reliable Duncan is there to bail him out along with Ginobili to open him up and Green and other Spurs players that were picked and chosen perfectly for the teams play, then no he isn't a max player. What if those 3 stars retire and Pop quits with them? Then you got a player who may never play as well again and he will lose a great deal of trade value with max contract.

Is that contract guaranteed to keep him with Pop for life? You act like none of the Spurs player will retire and Kawhi will be playing with all of them his entire career.

His name isn't event hat big so you can't market him and draw audience to come to his games. It's no secret Kobe isn't the same but even at what he is getting paid, he is selling out arenas all over the country and the Lakers more than make up what they pay for him in that and merchandising. Kawhi isn't in that level, not even close.

Hella re you even going to see this guy ranked high coming to the season? You'll likely see Parker and Duncan still way ahead of Kawhi.


These are thing to look at and consider or else you have stupid max contracts for overpaid players like Arenas, Lewis, Johnson, etc... gain if the Spurs are willing and believe in him to deliver a few championships the next couple of years, then good for them. But if you want to talk players worth max contract in the league, then no I don't see Kawhi as such a player.
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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

I wonder how different people's opinions would be if Kawhi was out making commercials for Gatorade, Nike, KIA, etc. talking about how great he is. dozingoff.gif


Dude just stop. You are practically comparing him to Durant, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, etc.... I seriously would not even put Kawhi int eh top 10 or top 20 in the league. Maybe not even top 30. Stop acting like we are putting him down just because we don't think he is a franchise, max contract player.


If you have a team that starts from scratch, would Kawhi really be your first choice to dump your max contract on? You'd really pick this dude over KD, Lebron, Curry, Griffin, CP3, Love, Harden, Westbrook, Melo, Aldridge, Lillard, Gasol, Howard, Rose, Davis, Duncan, Parker, etc... ?

Half of those guys aren't in many commercials if in any and in my opinion they are worth max contract before Kawhi.
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