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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread - Page 1201post #18001 of 270638/31/14 at 3:29pmStill pulled out the 21-point win. Turkey's P&R offense was pretty potent through the first half and halfway through the 3rd. Once Team USA started clogging the passing lanes, it was over for Turkey. Say what you want about Harden's defense, but he's been doing pretty well generating steals so far this tournament. Anthony Davis just went off in the 2nd half and Kenneth Faried played well throughout. That steal on Omer Asik and subsequent dunk was laughably bad on Asik's part.post #18002 of 270638/31/14 at 4:17pmAnthony Davis is a ridiculous monster. He's insane. Seriously, just throw it up anywhere and he'll complete the alley oop.
There's a vine of Harden tooooootally falling asleep on D for an open corner 3, which is really embarrassing, but I don't think it's representative of his D as a whole. It's not great by any means, or even good, but @diadem I agree w/ you that he's at least making an effort to steal the ball a bunch.
A lot of Turkey's crazy offense was FTs (USA reaches and grabs way too much) and 3s (they hit tons and tons of open 3s in the 2nd q and early 3rd), which were bound to regress.post #18003 of 270638/31/14 at 4:32pmpost #18004 of 270638/31/14 at 5:39pmpost #18005 of 270638/31/14 at 6:39pmThat was an entertaining story of how he got there, if you haven't read it
Anyway, I'm watching the rerun of the Turkey game. As many of us said here, if AD is a beast then we're just fine. If he plays poorly or if they forget about him, this is a deficient team. Also interesting to see Mike K get out coached for almost three whole quarterspost #18006 of 270639/1/14 at 2:17amThread Starterpost #18007 of 270639/1/14 at 2:52ampost #18008 of 270639/1/14 at 12:12pmQuote:screwed is a bit much. it will be a tough matchup, sure. but spain for some reason doesn't play ibaka that much, and anthony davis is just as good as marc is in fiba ball i think. ridiculous at blocks, improved at overall defense, and really smooth on offense. marc doesn't really have the power game to take full advantage of davis' small frame anyway. pau will be able to score easily on faried, but faried can blow by pau 24/7 and is a much better rebounder now too.
i think the matchup would be a toss-up or so.post #18009 of 270639/1/14 at 1:51pmpost #18010 of 270639/1/14 at 3:03pm
Not sure why everyone is on Spain's jock this tournament (not even talking about the people in this thread, just in general from what I'm reading from various sportswriters online and shit)...their one strength is their frontcourt and they can only play 2 of their 3 best players at any one time (Ibaka and the Gasol brothers). Their backcourt is trash (except for maybe Rudy Fernandez) and will not be able to stay in front of any of Team USA's guards on defense. Spain's supposed saving grace, the 2-3 zone, only works if the opposing team is missing outside shots. Steph Curry is only shooting about 30% from 3 so far in group play, but there's no way he stays that cold over the whole tournament. Harden, Thompson, and Curry are basically textbook zone busters with their perimeter shooting. Also, offensive rebounding plays a big role in beating the zone since the zone defenders don't have clear-cut box-out assignments (this is where Faried, Davis, and Plumlee excel).
Bottom line is Team USA's roster as a whole is much deeper than Spain's roster and the Americans are still the favorites to win gold. Only Spain's top 4 or 5 players can hang with the Team USA for any prolonged stretch of game-time. I wouldn't be surprised if Coach K sends Boogie Cousins in early and they get him the ball down on the block for a bunch of possessions. Get him going in the post and maybe get one of the Gasols in foul trouble early. Spain's gameplan kind of unravels a bit if one of their quality bigs is stuck on the bench for any extended amount of time.post #18011 of 270639/1/14 at 3:38pmThread Starterpost #18012 of 270639/1/14 at 3:55pmSo you're agreeing with me even though you think Team USA relies way too much on Faried and Davis...that makes no sense. How are they screwed if Davis and Faried don't produce when they have the deepest roster in the tournament? This was the whole point of Coach K bringing 5 bigs to the tournament this time around.
EDIT: never mind, you said if. It was HRoi who said that. Carry on. Still, though, I see a lot of people saying Spain are the favorites and it amuses me.post #18013 of 270639/1/14 at 4:25pmTheir backcourt is not trash. Rubio, Navarro and Calderon Fernandez are NBA caliber players, though only Rubio is on par with team USA players. BUt this backcourt is really enough to beat USA. Not saying Spain are favorites but it wouldn't be surprising if Spain wins this. I'd give it 50-50. Sure USA has overall better talent, but this is not the first time Spain team has played together and they have veteran players which evens up the chances.post #18014 of 270639/1/14 at 4:41pmQuote:Originally Posted by wojt
Their backcourt is not trash. Rubio, Navarro and Calderon Fernandez are NBA caliber players, though only Rubio is on par with team USA players. BUt this backcourt is really enough to beat USA. Not saying Spain are favorites but it wouldn't be surprising if Spain wins this. I'd give it 50-50. Sure USA has overall better talent, but this is not the first time Spain team has played together and they have veteran players which evens up the chances.
Rubio doesn't even start for Spain and the scouting report on him is simple -- he can't shoot (never cracked 40% in the NBA or the Euroleague), lacks quickness, and is a one-trick pony with his passing. Navarro is a dinosaur at 34 and will get burned one-on-one against any of Team USA's guards, allowing easy dribble penetration and drive-and-kick opportunities. I know he and Fernandez are technically NBA-caliber, but the last time Navarro and Fernandez played in the NBA was 2008 and 2012, respectively. Euroleague competition just doesn't compare. I don't think these guys are bad at basketball, but everything is relative, and in comparison to Team USA's backcourt, yes, I'm sticking with trash, at least when talking about Navarro (Fernandez I already conceded is a good player, although not an All-Star, and he's facing 4 in Irving, Rose, Curry, and Harden...5 if you count DeMar DeRozan, although not sure how much playing time he'll get). I think Spain does have the ability to keep things close like they did in 2012 because of their continuity and their chemistry, but against guys who are used to playing 48-minute games and who can shoot from 3 or 4 feet behind the FIBA 3-point line, I'm not putting money on Spain any time soon (assuming Spain makes it to the gold medal game...they still have a much tougher road to the final than USA does).post #18015 of 270639/1/14 at 5:10pmQuote:to be clear, I'm not saying Spain are the favorites either. the US still has the most talent, but then again, they always have. but yes, I am saying that they will have problems if Davis doesn't play well or can't stay on the floor. the Turkey game is a perfect example. the US can't rely on pass-dribble-jack contested shot offense. with Davis in the late game, and also Faried, they had a paint presence. ideally they have that paint presence plus a pick/roll and drive and kick game (Rose, Harden, Curry, this is why you're on the team) - that US team will be unstoppable.Originally Posted by diadem
So you're agreeing with me even though you think Team USA relies way too much on Faried and Davis...that makes no sense. How are they screwed if Davis and Faried don't produce when they have the deepest roster in the tournament? This was the whole point of Coach K bringing 5 bigs to the tournament this time around.
EDIT: never mind, you said if. It was HRoi who said that. Carry on. Still, though, I see a lot of people saying Spain are the favorites and it amuses me.
I do agree that they should see if they can establish Boogie down low though. ideally he can fill the Marc Gasol role on Spain/the Grizzlies, but I don't know if he's a good enough passer
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